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Wilson Money to be Reinvested (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Jul 8, 2014
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Hobo

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  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #36
RoboCCFC90 said:
Exactly but looking at what we have brought in this summer so far:

Reda Johnson - League One Promotion Medal
Ryan Allsopp - League One Promotion Medal
Danny Swanson - Championship Proven player
Jim O'Brien - Championship Proven player

If Pressley can add a few more players who have experience getting out this league I would be happy with that, for instance Tom Eaves, who allegedly will sign today, that will cost money as he is under 24.


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I agree Robo,

Pushing aside my willingness to criticise SISU at every opportunity I think the signings so far look good. Although we have lost quality in Marshall, Moussa and Wilson.

If we find a couple of strikers we might be back or slightly ahead of where we were. Without a 10 point deduction we might be mid be mid table to play offs.
 
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woody11462

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #37
RoboCCFC90 said:
Exactly but looking at what we have brought in this summer so far:

Reda Johnson - League One Promotion Medal
Ryan Allsopp - League One Promotion Medal
Danny Swanson - Championship Proven player
Jim O'Brien - Championship Proven player

If Pressley can add a few more players who have experience getting out this league I would be happy with that, for instance Tom Eaves, who allegedly will sign today, that will cost money as he is under 24.


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The Bolton News are reporting that we might be signing Eaves, who hasn't gon on tour with them to Scandinavia. It's mentioned at the bottom of an article they have released today. Lets hope they didn't get their info from the Twitter account 'CoventryITK'!
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #38
Well, there you go. You have your opinion and I have mine.

That's the way of the world.

SIR ERNIE said:
...without doubt the most naïve and gullible statement I've seen on here for a long time.
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #39
Can I suggest an idea, let's all write a letter to SP at Ryton and ask him to use £400,000 of the fee received to take the Club home, that way come the January window, he will be able to invest that money at about x4 the original rate.


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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #40
Hobo said:
I agree Robo,

Pushing aside my willingness to criticise SISU at every opportunity I think the signings so far look good. Although we have lost quality in Marshall, Moussa and Wilson.

If we find a couple of strikers we might be back or slightly ahead of where we were. Without a 10 point deduction we might be mid be mid table to play offs.
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I would of loved to kept Moussa and Wilson, I would of been very happy looking at the new season with those two also in our squad but unfortunately like the manager that brought Moussa in, Moussa used us as a stepping stone IMO.


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skybluepm2

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #41
torchomatic said:
Well, if a new season depended on optimism then I don't think I would have enjoyed the last 41 I've witnessed.

Personally for me, a new season and new players is always enough for my continued optimism and enthusiasm; regardless of our situation. Others (such as yourself) don't share that. Fair enough.
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I know what you are saying Torchy, but we are at the lowest of the low right now. Any optimism I believe will hinge on the quality of our striker signings. The gaps left by Clarke and Wilson are huge!
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #42
torchomatic said:
SBJ wakes up, opens his eyes. "What a lovely nights sleep that was. Now, what can I criticise the club about today? There must be something..."
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Why are you saying I am criticising the club? If you say you can differentiate between Sisu and CCFC as you claim in your last post why?
 
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Cov City Daytrader 87

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #43
SIR ERNIE said:
...without doubt the most naïve and gullible statement I've seen on here for a long time.
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No it's called common sense.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #44
An opinion different from the Collective doesn't compute, it seems.

Cov City Daytrader 87 said:
No it's called common sense.
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Cov City Daytrader 87

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #45
torchomatic said:
An opinion different from the Collective doesn't compute, it seems.
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That's because some use emotion, rather than logic.
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #46
RoboCCFC90 said:
Can I suggest an idea, let's all write a letter to SP at Ryton and ask him to use £400,000 of the fee received to take the Club home, that way come the January window, he will be able to invest that money at about x4 the original rate.


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I said this before we sold Wilson. I'd happily visit The Ricoh even if we just used our academy all season, so long as they brought our club home.
But I'm dreaming aren't I ...
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #47
I don't mind either or a mixture of both. It's the "do as I say" lot that annoy me.

Cov City Daytrader 87 said:
That's because some use emotion, rather than logic.
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #48
woody11462 said:
The Bolton News are reporting that we might be signing Eaves, who hasn't gon on tour with them to Scandinavia. It's mentioned at the bottom of an article they have released today. Lets hope they didn't get their info from the Twitter account 'CoventryITK'!
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On the back of that Tom Eaves rumour I have posted this on the other thread:

RoboCCFC90 said:
I saw this earlier, one thing I missed though was:

"The striker has another year to run at the Reebok Stadium."

So unless Bolton want to get rid of him on the cheap we will be paying some sort of fee.

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So should the lad sign we will have to pay a fee unless Bolton are willing to let him go on a free transfer, something I doubt.


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torchomatic

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  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #49
Well, as you know we definitely won't be paying a fee for anyone. Definitely.

Definitely.

RoboCCFC90 said:
So should the lad sign we will have to pay a fee unless Bolton are willing to let him go on a free transfer, something I doubt.


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RoboCCFC90

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  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #50
skybluebeduff said:
I said this before we sold Wilson. I'd happily visit The Ricoh even if we just used our academy all season, so long as they brought our club home.
But I'm dreaming aren't I ...
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Well (and I am using the SBT's slogan here admittedly) WHY NOT? Why can't the money from Wilson's transfer be invested in this way, it would benefit the Club about 8x over per that original spend. Why can't that be done?


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rondog1973

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #51
Cov City Daytrader 87 said:
That's because some use emotion, rather than logic.
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Why on earth do you support Cov then? Not a logical thing to do surely.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #52
That's true. Supporting City does fly in the face of logic.

I knew I should have supported Real Madrid. My other local team.

rondog1973 said:
Why on earth do you support Cov then? Not a logical thing to do surely.
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Cov City Daytrader 87

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #53
rondog1973 said:
Why on earth do you support Cov then? Not a logical thing to do surely.
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Emotion is fine, however too much of it can be someone's downfall. I choose Coventry City because I'm Coventry born and bred and rather support my local team (regardless of what sport it is). Whilst others are seduced by the big name like Liverpool, Man Utd etc. I chose to be my own man rather than like the other kids who are go for glamour.
 

rondog1973

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #54
torchomatic said:
That's true. Supporting City does fly in the face of logic.

I knew I should have supported Real Madrid. My other local team.
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Aren't the Brakes your local team?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #55
Nope, Real Madrid, Coventry City, Barcelona, Borussia Mönchengladbach and Dulka Prague. I went for the wrong one, I think.

rondog1973 said:
Aren't the Brakes your local team?
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Monners

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  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #56
All I wanted for Christmas was a Dukla Prague away kit! Ended up with a Cov one!
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #57
What a great band they were. They were at the Assembly in Leam a while back.

Monners said:
All I wanted for Christmas was a Dukla Prague away kit! Ended up with a Cov one!
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Monners

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #58
torchomatic said:
What a great band they were. They were at the Assembly in Leam a while back.
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I never got a chance to see them. Didn't realise they were still going though.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #59
Yes, they're still doing the nostaliga thing.



Monners said:
I never got a chance to see them. Didn't realise they were still going though.
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Monners

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #60
The Trumpton Riots and Dickie Davies Eyes always made me chuckle too.
 

olderskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #61
torchomatic said:
And do "freebies and loan signings" play for nothing then?
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Did the players we let go play for nothing then?

Not really disagreeing Torch, but as always, press releases like these are aimed at painting a positive picture, and how much of the Wilson transfer money is really re-invested still remains to be seen. Of course, it won't matter too much if we get another McG or Clarke, or Wilson from youth, Freebies or loans as your other point mentioned.

I hope we can be as lucky this season, then it won't matter eh?
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #62
So it looks like 20 "senior" pros plus those stepping up from the academy. (Last week before the signings there were 10 listed on the official plus the latest 5 plus 5 to come)

Average wages for League 1 per the PFA is between £1700 and £2500 pw. Say ours works out at £2000 on average pw. That gives Gross wages for the "20" at approx. £2,080,000 plus national insurance employers contribution at 13.8% = £2,367,040. Plus agents fees. Nearly all the players will have to be included in the 60% SMCP calculation (Willis & Haynes not) so the required SMCP Turnover is 2367040 x 100/60 = 3.945m

I would suggest given the lack of other incomes that the sale of Wilson is absolutely key to having a team on the pitch at all. So rough estimates
Player sales and compensation receivable £3.6m? (Wilson & Christie)
Match day sales 330k
Sponsorship and advertising £200k
Shop sales less cost of sales £150K
Prize monies £250K
other incomes £250k

Income estimate £4.78m

less

player costs £2.4m (see above)
Coaches & Manager £350k (inc Nat Ins)
Academy costs £250k (assume some coaches time and other overheads get it to £500k required spend)
Directors £350k (inc Nat Ins)
Other staff £200k (inc Nat Ins)
Interest charge £1.5m
overheads at Ryton & Sixfields & shop say £800k

Total costs £5.850m

Loss £1.07m (not a million miles away from break even)

There may be further cost savings to come so you could see in the accounts to 31/05/15 breakeven.

If you assume that "the overall football budget" is the operation of the football club by Otium then all the above costs are relevant including the interest charge. That means that whilst the Wilson fee is spent on the football side it is not all spent on players fees and wages. The football side as a whole has to stand on its own two feet I have no problem with that. I do not think there is an intention by SISU to provide further funds this coming season to fund losses and with Wilson going they wont have to because they can just roll up the interest charge in to the debt and not actually pay it all out (ie include the charge not the payment). I think we are far better to view things in this context and to temper expectation accordingly.

Keep the cost base similar and even paying additional match day costs it is easy to see how that could be improved by say a short term lease at the Ricoh with even limited other match day incomes (eg car parking, pitch side advertising, corporate promotions etc) - whilst things agreed long term or stadium built. :thinking about:

All just estimates of course others may see it differently
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #63
Clearly people have a simple method of judging any press release from the club.

Every single thing they release is bullshit... unless of course the word 'liquidation' is used and then it becomes gospel truth.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #64
Ha! Yes, that is so true.

Ian1779 said:
Clearly people have a simple method of judging any press release from the club.

Every single thing they release is bullshit... unless of course the word 'liquidation' is used and then it becomes gospel truth.
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sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #65
Ian1779 said:
Clearly people have a simple method of judging any press release from the club.

Every single thing they release is bullshit... unless of course the word 'liquidation' is used and then it becomes gospel truth.
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I thought it was bull shit when they said about moving to sixfields !!
Liquidation won't happen because it makes the only asset they now have ie golden share worthless !
But if you use the threat of liquidation, ie TF in interviews and JS has also, who is at fault if its believed ??????
 
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olderskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #66
Ian1779 said:
Clearly people have a simple method of judging any press release from the club.

Every single thing they release is bullshit... unless of course the word 'liquidation' is used and then it becomes gospel truth.
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Rather simplifies it to suit your view doesn't it?

I think there is a vast difference between "we are going to re-invest the Wilson money" and "I will liquidate the club".
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #67
oldskyblue58 said:
So it looks like 20 "senior" pros plus those stepping up from the academy. (Last week before the signings there were 10 listed on the official plus the latest 5 plus 5 to come)

Average wages for League 1 per the PFA is between £1700 and £2500 pw. Say ours works out at £2000 on average pw. That gives Gross wages for the "20" at approx. £2,080,000 plus national insurance employers contribution at 13.8% = £2,367,040. Plus agents fees. Nearly all the players will have to be included in the 60% SMCP calculation (Willis & Haynes not) so the required SMCP Turnover is 2367040 x 100/60 = 3.945m

I would suggest given the lack of other incomes that the sale of Wilson is absolutely key to having a team on the pitch at all. So rough estimates
Player sales and compensation receivable £3.6m? (Wilson & Christie)
Match day sales 330k
Sponsorship and advertising £200k
Shop sales less cost of sales £150K
Prize monies £250K
other incomes £250k

Income estimate £4.78m

less

player costs £2.4m (see above)
Coaches & Manager £350k (inc Nat Ins)
Academy costs £250k (assume some coaches time and other overheads get it to £500k required spend)
Directors £350k (inc Nat Ins)
Other staff £200k (inc Nat Ins)
Interest charge £1.5m
overheads at Ryton & Sixfields & shop say £800k

Total costs £5.850m

Loss £1.07m (not a million miles away from break even)

There may be further cost savings to come so you could see in the accounts to 31/05/15 breakeven.

If you assume that "the overall football budget" is the operation of the football club by Otium then all the above costs are relevant including the interest charge. That means that whilst the Wilson fee is spent on the football side it is not all spent on players fees and wages. The football side as a whole has to stand on its own two feet I have no problem with that. I do not think there is an intention by SISU to provide further funds this coming season to fund losses and with Wilson going they wont have to because they can just roll up the interest charge in to the debt and not actually pay it all out (ie include the charge not the payment). I think we are far better to view things in this context and to temper expectation accordingly.

Keep the cost base similar and even paying additional match day costs it is easy to see how that could be improved by say a short term lease at the Ricoh with even limited other match day incomes (eg car parking, pitch side advertising, corporate promotions etc) - whilst things agreed long term or stadium built. :thinking about:

All just estimates of course others may see it differently
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I had hopped that with nopm Sisu would have felt the squeeze by now.
The problem is they have had to many windfalls and as youve said not far off break even.
 
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Mr Creosote

New Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #68
They wont re-invest the money, don't kid yourself.
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #69
Mr Creosote said:
They wont re-invest the money, don't kid yourself.
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Well there are three stories today so far:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sp...news/reports-link-coventry-city-swoop-7389463

http://www.coventrycity-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/third_bournemouth_player_to_come_in_835969/index.shtml


http://lionofviennasuite.sbnation.com/2014/7/8/5880013/tom-eaves-to-join-coventry-city-today

Someone has to be right!



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Moff

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  • Jul 8, 2014
  • #70
SIR ERNIE said:
...without doubt the most naïve and gullible statement I've seen on here for a long time.
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I assume you dont log on much then
 
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