Why won't people just be honest (2 Viewers)

[Grendel]

It is becoming tiring listening to the same old arguments defending ACL and the council implying children will not be able to eat and the local charity will suffer.

The only people who are suffering are the supporter. Most football fans would take the clubs side. I was in Leeds the other day and a supporter was saying he couldn't believe how the council was treating the football club.

So are the Coventry supporters unique in their benevolence and morality? Of course not. It is the blind hatred towards them which has distorted their reality. Grown men cry at the mention of the name and others berate them and want them hounded out of town. They see the devil, they need to be driven away.

Now of course we could have a moral consciousness. Then I cast my mind back. Did I see jack griffin bang the door down at Southampton urging them to wind is up, was Ashdown investigate how much was owed to the local coach company concerned of it affected jobs, was sky blue John ranting "we pay our taxes why don't the club"!

No of course not they were silent because then we had the nice faces of mr Coventry and the rather eccentric chap from somewhere up North. They were all right you see, they cared, they bled sky blue (for more than 1 day). So then we turned a blind eye we were normal fans.

Now this is not so. The council and ACL have a lot to answer for the arrangement is crippling. However sisu will never and can never do right.

Best they leave town. Then all the moralists have had there day. They can celebrate. Sadly they won't be celebrating a Coventry performance ever again. Still at least the children get fed at night and the local charity can sleep easily.

 

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[coundonskyblue]

Be honest then, in 2003 should the council have refused to help the club out?

CCFC asked the council for this current arrangement, were the council wrong to agree to it?

 

[Grendel]

Be honest then, in 2003 should the council have refused to help the club out?

CCFC asked the council for this current arrangement, were the council wrong to agree to it?

The council didn't help them out. Helping them out would be what all other councils do with clubs in council owned stadiums. Also if it was Hoffman Elliot etc in charge the council would be forced to back down.

 

[coundonskyblue]

The council didn't help them out. Helping them out would be what all other councils do with clubs in council owned stadiums. Also if it was Hoffman Elliot etc in charge the council would be forced to back down.

If the council hadn't stepped in to save the Ricoh project CCFC would have gone bust.

As we are so often told 'there is no one waiting to buy them' so presumably the club would have ceased to exist in 2003.

 

[rupert_bear]

Nice to know there are people as far away as Leeds concerned and so knowledgable about little old Cov Citys problems

 

[Grendel]

If the council hadn't stepped in to save the Ricoh project CCFC would have gone bust.

As we are so often told 'there is no one waiting to buy them' so presumably the club would have ceased to exist in 2003.

Saving something doesn't mean making commercial profit from it. It's line saying you saw a man in the desert and gave a bottle of water. You charged him £10,000 for the bottle but he had a drink.

 

[rupert_bear]

The council didn't help them out. Helping them out would be what all other councils do with clubs in council owned stadiums. Also if it was Hoffman Elliot etc in charge the council would be forced to back down.

Thought the council put in £21million to enable the Ricoh project to go ahead ?

 

[Grendel]

Nice to know there are people as far away as Leeds concerned and so knowledgable about little old Cov Citys problems

Why wouldn't there be. According to Don there is national awareness about our issues. So you know nothing about the issues at Portsmouth and Blackburn then?

 

[blueflint]

It is becoming tiring listening to the same old arguments defending ACL and the council implying children will not be able to eat and the local charity will suffer.

The only people who are suffering are the supporter. Most football fans would take the clubs side. I was in Leeds the other day and a supporter was saying he couldn't believe how the council was treating the football club.

So are the Coventry supporters unique in their benevolence and morality? Of course not. It is the blind hatred towards them which has distorted their reality. Grown men cry at the mention of the name and others berate them and want them hounded out of town. They see the devil, they need to be driven away.

Now of course we could have a moral consciousness. Then I cast my mind back. Did I see jack griffin bang the door down at Southampton urging them to wind is up, was Ashdown investigate how much was owed to the local coach company concerned of it affected jobs, was sky blue John ranting "we pay our taxes why don't the club"!

No of course not they were silent because then we had the nice faces of mr Coventry and the rather eccentric chap from somewhere up North. They were all right you see, they cared, they bled sky blue (for more than 1 day). So then we turned a blind eye we were normal fans.

Now this is not so. The council and ACL have a lot to answer for the arrangement is crippling. However sisu will never and can never do right.

Best they leave town. Then all the moralists have had there day. They can celebrate. Sadly they won't be celebrating a Coventry performance ever again. Still at least the children get fed at night and the local charity can sleep easily.

still spouting bollocks then

 

[rupert_bear]

Why wouldn't there be. According to Don there is national awareness about our issues. So you know nothing about the issues at Portsmouth and Blackburn then?

No not really

 

[Grendel]

Nice to know there are people as far away as Leeds concerned and so knowledgable about little old Cov Citys problems

They have not lost any money and the community is not affected. The main point still is ignored. Were you so vocal last time when we were refusing to pay bills all over the place?

 

[Lord_Nampil]

Did the council have to agree planning permission for houses on highfield road??

 

[coundonskyblue]

Saving something doesn't mean making commercial profit from it. It's line saying you saw a man in the desert and gave a bottle of water. You charged him £10,000 for the bottle but he had a drink.

The council haven't made a profit from it, all moneys have been reinvested back into the Ricoh.

I doubt the same could be said for CCFC if we ever made a profit.

 

[Grendel]

The council haven't made a profit from it, all moneys have been reinvested back into the Ricoh.

I doubt the same could be said for CCFC if we ever made a profit.

We're you outraged when we did not pay bills last time? We're you as vocal them demanding they get their act together?

 

[rupert_bear]

Were you so vocal last time when we were refusing to pay bills all over the place?

Who's we ?

 

[coundonskyblue]

We're you outraged when we did not pay bills last time? We're you as vocal them demanding they get their act together?

It depends on which last time your on about.

Most of my annoyance with this whole situation is the fact that TF and Sisu act like they are morally and legally right to do this.

 

[Grendel]

Who's we ?

The football club

 

[Grendel]

It depends on which last time your on about.

Most of my annoyance with this whole situation is the fact that TF and Sisu act like they are morally and legally right to do this.

So when we didn't pay Southampton for Leon best we owed Harry shaw several thousand pounds as well as other creditors and also owed £5 million to the revenue that was somehow different?

 

[Disorganised1]

I was against the council becoming involved in CCFC as a community project, as a business proposition it would never have happened under the terms it did.

 

[coundonskyblue]

So when we didn't pay Southampton for Leon best we owed Harry shaw several thousand pounds as well as other creditors and also owed £5 million to the revenue that was somehow different?

Of course that was wrong, but the club didnt try and justify its actions. They simply said we don't have the money.

If we had bought Leon Best and then after the deal was signed said "actually we don't think he's worth that much, so we're not going to pay", then I would have equally outraged.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

The council didn't help them out. Helping them out would be what all other councils do with clubs in council owned stadiums. Also if it was Hoffman Elliot etc in charge the council would be forced to back down.

Elliot/Hoffman are simply different names/faces...if the arrangemet were identical on paper - why would they be forced to back down?

 

[Grendel]

Elliot/Hoffman are simply different names/faces...if the arrangemet were identical on paper - why would they be forced to back down?

Because people on here worship the ground they walk on. Public outrage would influence the decision.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Saving something doesn't mean making commercial profit from it. It's line saying you saw a man in the desert and gave a bottle of water. You charged him £10,000 for the bottle but he had a drink.

There MUST be some motivation for saving something...for ACL it is likely that community interest & a revenue stream to tap into would be part of. They would then budget with those revenue streams in mind - they would therefore quite understandably want to hold on to those revenue streams. Hence the delicate nature of the situation.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Because people on here worship the ground they walk on. Public outrage would influence the decision.

A very naive response IMO

 

[Grendel]

A very naive response IMO

Absolutely not. No one cared less the last time we did not pay bills. If the likes of Hoffman, Elliot and keys were constantly using the media to attack the council do you seriously think they would still retain the upper hand in the debate?

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Why wouldn't there be. According to Don there is national awareness about our issues. So you know nothing about the issues at Portsmouth and Blackburn then?

There's a huge difference between awareness & knowledgable isn't there? Many of us on this forum have better awareness than the average Blackburn/Pompey/Leeds etc fan...but I doubt we can genuinely claim to be knowledgable in anything more than a passive sense.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Absolutely not. No one cared less the last time we did not pay bills. If the likes of Hoffman, Elliot and keys were constantly using the media to attack the council do you seriously think they would still retain the upper hand in the debate?

So your original comment appears at odds with this view...unless I am missing something

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Absolutely not. No one cared less the last time we did not pay bills. If the likes of Hoffman, Elliot and keys were constantly using the media to attack the council do you seriously think they would still retain the upper hand in the debate?

I also disagree with the "No one cared..." reference. A great many did & a great many do

 

[Astute]

I am not against CCFC owning the ground. I do not agree with the way SISU have gone about it though. The SISU investors took a gamble. They lost. These faceless investors are now trying to force ACL to sell for a token amount. It is now about a year since they last paid rent. ACL have tried to come to an arrangement. SISU don't want to know. Paying no rent is cheaper than a smaller rent.

Now it is the fault of the council for refinancing the loan that would have been paid with rent money. The council have to look after the majority. Sorry to say but we are not the majority. It would make no difference to me in a council way as I live nowhere near Cov. I just don't see why the council and charity should be bullied by SISU and give away the stadium or let us have it rent free.