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"Why we did not take Arsenal Tickets" (1 Viewer)

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Nick

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  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #71
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Well, I'll treat 'SISU in!', with the contempt it deserves. The 'Damned if you don't, Damned if you do........... ' is a clear reference to SISU being criticised if they don't communicate (as in the stadium), but criticised if they do (as in tickets for a cup game), i.e. stating they're in a no-win situation. They're not. And to try and insinuate they are is distasteful in the extreme
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I think you will find it was a bit tongue in cheek / a joke / sarcasm?
 

covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #72
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Well, I'll treat 'SISU in!', with the contempt it deserves. The 'Damned if you don't, Damned if you do........... ' is a clear reference to SISU being criticised if they don't communicate (as in the stadium), but criticised if they do (as in tickets for a cup game), i.e. stating they're in a no-win situation. They're not. And to try and insinuate they are is distasteful in the extreme
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You thought "sisu in" was serious??
Dear god
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #73
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #74
AndreasB said:
No one has pointed this out as SISU being great at communications. In fact mostly the opposite including me - ie they are piss poor usually but got this one right. Of course we are all "SISU sycophants" though. Quite funny seeing all the hotheads squirming because facts have been proved greater than swivel eyed conspiracy bollocks.
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I disagree. If they had to send back circa. 1K last time, and the additional allocation was 3.5K; their share of the receipts from the 2.5K they may have sold would have been greater than the liability against a value of 1K tickets (if they remained unsold). So, the facts aren't greater if you care to do the maths. And by ensuring the allocation is initially taken by the SISU Sycophants, rather like first-dibs on the Stadium Forum, SISU tend to get a kinder audience in front of those naughty TV cameras than with a more representative demographic.

But - nobody raised this. Whereas some did embarrass themselves in a rather Neville Chamberlainesque fashion. For me, more reason has been shown by those who sit outside of the SISU Dozen, than those sitting inside, enjoying the cosy picnic
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #75
covmark said:
You thought "sisu in" was serious??
Dear god
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No. I thought it was tongue-in-cheek bravado from a poster who's myopic in their appraisal of our owners
 
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_brian_

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #76
I agree: credit where credit's due! But I just can't understand why they didn't release this statement a few weeks ago!!!
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #77
I've just spoken to a "Ticket office salesperson" at "The Emirates" He confirmed CCFC sent back nearly 3k tickets(Which have now been sold to Arsenal fans)...Just for arguments sake, SISU state that any shortfall of tickets, costs would be passed on to fans.....So what are SISU worrying about then? It seems it wouldn't cost the owners anything. Please don't say they are "Thinking of the fans" nothing is further from the truth.
 

Longford

Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #78
Nick said:
Some people just like to moan.
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And some just turn a blind eye
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #79
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
No. I thought it was tongue-in-cheek bravado from a poster who's myopic in their appraisal of our owners
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The "born-agains" always the worst.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #80
Sky Blue Kid said:
I've just spoken to a "Ticket office salesperson" at "The Emirates" He confirmed CCFC sent back nearly 3k tickets(Which have now been sold to Arsenal fans)...Just for arguments sake, SISU state that any shortfall of tickets, costs would be passed on to fans.....So what are SISU worrying about then? It seems it wouldn't cost the owners anything. Please don't say they are "Thinking of the fans" nothing is further from the truth.
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Don't the club have to pay if they don't sell them all?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #81
covmark said:
No one has, just people saying fair enough. But surprise surprise it's jumped on, to accuse posters of being pro sisu sycophants. Change the damn record.
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Certainly has been jumped on.

Look at the certain posters that have posted. Look at the certain posters that have liked each others posts. Look at who has made arguments out of it. Me and who? What a shock. The usual suspects that make excuses for SISUE whatever they do or say.
 
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crowsnest

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  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #82
Sky Blue Kid said:
I've just spoken to a "Ticket office salesperson" at "The Emirates" He confirmed CCFC sent back nearly 3k tickets(Which have now been sold to Arsenal fans)...Just for arguments sake, SISU state that any shortfall of tickets, costs would be passed on to fans.....So what are SISU worrying about then? It seems it wouldn't cost the owners anything. Please don't say they are "Thinking of the fans" nothing is further from the truth.
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How can the shortfall be passed onto fans? There is a set ticket price.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #83
Nick said:
Don't the club have to pay if they don't sell them all?
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Have you ever heard of this sort of thing before Nick? Has anyone ever heard of this sort of thing before?

Sounds like another 'We are talking to two different local councils on building our new stadium' sort of statement without thinking anyone can find out the real truth to me.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #84
Astute said:
Have you ever heard of this sort of thing before Nick? Has anyone ever heard of this sort of thing before?

Sounds like another 'We are talking to two different local councils on building our new stadium' sort of statement without thinking anyone can find out the real truth to me.
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So it isn't true?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #85
Astute said:
Certainly has been jumped on.

Look at the certain posters that have posted. Look at the certain posters that have liked each others posts. Look at who has made arguments out of it. Me and who? What a shock. The usual suspects that make excuses for SISUE whatever they do or say.
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Nobody has made an excuse? Have they?
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #86
Nick said:
So it isn't true?
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The Club would of had to of paid for all the unsold tickets, you don't just take a second batch and not pay for them if they aren't sold.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #87
Nick said:
So it isn't true?
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Not saying it isn't but have never heard of a club having to pay for unsold tickets before. And I am sure that SISUE would have informed us about this the last time we played there if a top Prem side had charged us for unsold tickets.

They have fed us so much bullshit over the years they have been with us that I don't believe a word they say unless there is proof to go with it.
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #88
Astute said:
Not saying it isn't but have never heard of a club having to pay for unsold tickets before. And I am sure that SISUE would have informed us about this the last time we played there if a top Prem side had charged us for unsold tickets.

They have fed us so much bullshit over the years they have been with us that I don't believe a word they say unless there is proof to go with it.
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Of course they'd make us pay for the second batch, the Club has to oblige when taking all of the second allocation and pay for all the seats taken, otherwise Arsenal have the right to sell all the seats to their ST holders which would I am sure would have not failed to sell out after giving us that option.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #89
RoboCCFC90 said:
The Club would of had to of paid for all the unisold tickets, you don't just take a second batch and not pay for them if they aren't sold.
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But if you're flying the flag of financial prudence, what if they had sold 2.5K of the additional allocation and sent 1K back, like they claim happened last time?

Wouldn't their share of the 2.5K additional tickets sold to CCFC fans covered any loss associated with the 1K return?

Could have fulfilled the criteria of financial prudence you laud, and kept more fans happy, no?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #90
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
But if you're flying the flag of financial prudence, what if they had sold 2.5K of the additional allocation and sent 1K back, like they claim happened last time?

Wouldn't their share of the 2.5K additional tickets sold to CCFC fans covered any loss associated with the 1K return?

Could have fulfilled the criteria of financial prudence you laud, and kept more fans happy, no?
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The same fans that made statements saying they wouldn't go?
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #91
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
But if you're flying the flag of financial prudence, what if they had sold 2.5K of the additional allocation and sent 1K back, like they claim happened last time?

Wouldn't their share of the 2.5K additional tickets sold to CCFC fans covered any loss associated with the 1K return?

Could have fulfilled the criteria of financial prudence you laud, and kept more fans happy, no?
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Good point. But they obviously made the decision that it wasn't worth the risk. The probably should have. But at least we aren't talking about wild conspiracy theories now.
 
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Monners

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #92
Nick said:
The same fans that made statements saying they wouldn't go?
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Like to think that we can move on perhaps. Unhelpful at best, and please don't moan about others being divisive.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #93
Nick said:
The same fans that made statements saying they wouldn't go?
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You can't have it both ways, Nick. They sold out with a week to spare. Plenty of evidence that there was demand. I'm not saying they made the wrong call. Read back. Just saying that if as many people are so inherently anti-SISU as is claimed, this would be a valid point to raise. But they didn't....
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #94
What I suggest any CCFC fan should do is this:- Phone "The Emirates on 0207 6195000" Ask the same question that I did....Are my club liable for any shortfall in ticket sales! When asked if I was a Coventry City fan, to which I said yes. There was a lot of "Humm and Err" The guy on the phone said They didn't know the reason why we sent back our allocation of tickets......@ crowsnest...The cost of any shortfall in ticket sales would have to be bourne by the Club...Now I maybe wrong, but IMHO would say these "Shortfalls" would be covered by a rise in "STH prices going up" Prices on the gate "Going up" What about being charged "£5" for paying by Credit card for FA Cup tickets, League Cup tickets, in fact ANY f**king tickets!
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #95
hill83 said:
Good point. But they obviously made the decision that it wasn't worth the risk. The probably should have. But at least we aren't talking about wild conspiracy theories now.
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Wild conspiracies? Moi? You do me a disservice, kind Sir ;-)
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #96
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
You can't have it both ways, Nick. They sold out with a week to spare. Plenty of evidence that there was demand. I'm not saying they made the wrong call. Read back. Just saying that if as many people are so inherently anti-SISU as is claimed, this would be a valid point to raise. But they didn't....
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Don't get me wrong, I would have loved 30,000 city fans there taking over. I am not sure if it was Arsenal rushing them and they bottled it or what, just that it wasn't done to stop a couple of thousand more holding up a bit of paper or out of spite.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #97
Sky Blue Kid said:
What I suggest any CCFC fan should do is this:- Phone "The Emirates on 0207 6195000" Ask the same question that I did....Are my club liable for any shortfall in ticket sales! When asked if I was a Coventry City fan, to which I said yes. There was a lot of "Humm and Err" The guy on the phone said They didn't know the reason why we sent back our allocation of tickets......@ crowsnest...The cost of any shortfall in ticket sales would have to be bourne by the Club...Now I maybe wrong, but IMHO would say these "Shortfalls" would be covered by a rise in "STH prices going up" Prices on the gate "Going up" What about being charged "£5" for paying by Credit card for FA Cup tickets, League Cup tickets, in fact ANY f**king tickets!
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Having another stinker again fella.
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #98
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
But if you're flying the flag of financial prudence, what if they had sold 2.5K of the additional allocation and sent 1K back, like they claim happened last time?

Wouldn't their share of the 2.5K additional tickets sold to CCFC fans covered any loss associated with the 1K return?

Could have fulfilled the criteria of financial prudence you laud, and kept more fans happy, no?
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You can't argue that MMM because the scenario's are totally different, firstly the game is Televised live so that might put people off making the trip, secondly it's a Friday and you'd have to ensure travel from Coventry leaving at least 15:30-16:00 which means hitting all the traffic and nightmare of all the travelling involved going into London, finally its January, most people haven't been paid and the financial hangover is still an impact from Christmas, I doubt that we would of sold an extra 1K of the extra allocation had it been given to us.

Well lets answer your question using the thread at least 30 different posters have responded to this thread of those 30, only 3 posters have objective views of this move (10%) a minority of fans unfortunately. It may have helped please the people who can't be pleased, but if they had sold 1000 out of the 3500 avaliable, they still would have of had to pay £81,250 (roughly) to Arsenal when they would of only made £32,500 on the second allocation. That's almost a loss of £50,000, it's not worth it and the correct decision.
 
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Postman Pat

New Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #99
Sky Blue Kid said:
What I suggest any CCFC fan should do is this:- Phone "The Emirates on 0207 6195000" Ask the same question that I did....Are my club liable for any shortfall in ticket sales! When asked if I was a Coventry City fan, to which I said yes. There was a lot of "Humm and Err" The guy on the phone said They didn't know the reason why we sent back our allocation of tickets......@ crowsnest...The cost of any shortfall in ticket sales would have to be bourne by the Club...Now I maybe wrong, but IMHO would say these "Shortfalls" would be covered by a rise in "STH prices going up" Prices on the gate "Going up" What about being charged "£5" for paying by Credit card for FA Cup tickets, League Cup tickets, in fact ANY f**king tickets!
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So the club would of had to pay for any unsold tickets.Not sure what your saying with the rest of your comment tho ! are you saying they should add the charges onto other tickets if they hadnt of sold them ?
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #100
Postman Pat said:
So the club would of had to pay for any unsold tickets.Not sure what your saying with the rest of your comment tho ! are you saying they should add the charges onto other tickets if they hadnt of sold them ?
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Yes PP the Club would of had to of paid for any unsold tickets from the second batch.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #101
Sky Blue Kid said:
What I suggest any CCFC fan should do is this:- Phone "The Emirates on 0207 6195000" Ask the same question that I did....Are my club liable for any shortfall in ticket sales! When asked if I was a Coventry City fan, to which I said yes. There was a lot of "Humm and Err" The guy on the phone said They didn't know the reason why we sent back our allocation of tickets......@ crowsnest...The cost of any shortfall in ticket sales would have to be bourne by the Club...Now I maybe wrong, but IMHO would say these "Shortfalls" would be covered by a rise in "STH prices going up" Prices on the gate "Going up" What about being charged "£5" for paying by Credit card for FA Cup tickets, League Cup tickets, in fact ANY f**king tickets!
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Not exactly Roger Cook are you?
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #102
hill83.......................Just wtf is your point hill83? Do you expect every CCFC fan to take SISU's word on anything?.............................................My point is they sent CCFC Allocation back to Arsenal, a whole week before the game. We could have sent the extra tickets back by Wednesday or Thursday of THIS week, and Arsenal would still have sold them all before the end of Thursday....and to quote Grenduffy..."That's a FACT"
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #103
Sky Blue Kid said:
hill83.......................Just wtf is your point hill83? Do you expect every CCFC fan to take SISU's word on anything?.............................................My point is they sent CCFC Allocation back to Arsenal, a whole week before the game. We could have sent the extra tickets back by Wednesday or Thursday of THIS week, and Arsenal would still have sold them all before the end of Thursday....and to quote Grenduffy..."That's a FACT"
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Didn't Arsenal set them a deadline so they couldn't?
 
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Postman Pat

New Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #104
RoboCCFC90 said:
Yes PP the Club would of had to of paid for any unsold tickets from the second batch.
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Yes but is Sky Blue Kid really saying that if we didnt sell those tickets we should charge extra on tickets for other matches or for STH.Is he playing with a full deck of cards !
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 20, 2014
  • #105
RoboCCFC90 said:
'Usual suspects'
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The most divisive and monotonous words used in the most shittest sense on this forum.

I was far happier yesterday when we seemed more interested in sparring with the Preston fans over a game of football. What a welcome distraction.
 
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