Why is Hoffman so bad? (1 Viewer)

cloughie · Aug 28, 2011

It seems to me that many CCFC fans seem to be 'floating voters' so to speak. Now the takeover bid has been withdrawn, many seem to think sisu are now a credible and decent owner of our club and Hoffman a time waster.

What puzzles me is that why would Hoffman go public with the bid etc if as many are now saying, he is full of s**t and worse. Was it he wanted to be ridiculed and tarnish his previous successful professional image? Was it because his backers didn't have the money and so he and they are liars?

Please enlighten me as to why Hoffman made a bid and how has he benefited from all this if all the Hoffman haters are correct about him?

Jim · Aug 28, 2011

cloughie said:
It seems to me that many CCFC fans seem to be 'floating voters' so to speak. Now the takeover bid has been withdrawn, many seem to think sisu are now a credible and decent owner of our club and Hoffman a time waster.

What puzzles me is that why would Hoffman go public with the bid etc if as many are now saying, he is full of s**t and worse. Was it he wanted to be ridiculed and tarnish his previous successful professional image? Was it because his backers didn't have the money and so he and they are liars?

Please enlighten me as to why Hoffman made a bid and how has he benefited from all this if all the Hoffman haters are correct about him?

Puzzled as well. It seems obvious that the deal was sabotaged by KD and SISU because all they could see was the loss of their investment / loan / whatever.

Somehow this has become Hoffmans fault?!?

Fact is we have been shafted again and SISU are to blame once more.

WillieStanley · Aug 28, 2011

Totally. Hoffman would have been an ideal man to have involved in the club, as he proved whilst he was on the board (eg securing City Link as shirt sponser)

I am absolutely gutted that his backers have pulled out.

SISU have absolutely no interest in taking the club forward in regards to achievement. Once the books are balanced, they'll be happy!!

cloughie · Aug 28, 2011

Jim said:
Puzzled as well. It seems obvious that the deal was sabotaged by KD and SISU because all they could see was the loss of their investment / loan / whatever.

Somehow this has become Hoffmans fault?!?

Fact is we have been shafted again and SISU are to blame once more.

Also some reputable business people do not like dealing with those who have no integrity. The only people to see the offer letter and the withdrawn offer letter were KD and the board so it would seem obvious who leaked it and why K Bruce was contacted by the press stating they (the press) had a copy, within hours of the letter being withdrawn. Why is it some people choose to ignore these facts?

ajsccfc · Aug 28, 2011

I don't really see anyone 'hating' Hoffman. At worst there are people who were cynical as to whether anything would come of this, which is looking to be the case. Mixing up facts, speculation and guesswork as to what actually happened seems pretty fruitless.

Colonel Mustard · Aug 28, 2011

SISU are decent owners if we're talking about simply paying the bills. Hoffman...at this point all we know is that he served on the board, and made a failed bid to buy the club. There's no good reason to lionise him or to put him in the Dhinsa category either.

georgehudson · Aug 28, 2011

why is hoffman bid so bad?

Agree totally with previous messages, I just wonder whether or why SISU are considered a legally credible outfit with regard to their handling of this whole scenario.

If I owned a company and it was being run by these clowns/buffoons, I think I'd have pulled the plug on them well before now.

C'mon Ms. Seppala I thought you had more about you than this,

PUSB

Oh & by the way Ms Seppala, please view the Monty Python 'Cheese Shop' sketch to illustrate the point.

Additionally I would have thought that you would have had serious concerns by now about these persons............ ? IVORY TOWERS ?

cloughie · Aug 28, 2011

ajsccfc said:
I don't really see anyone 'hating' Hoffman. At worst there are people who were cynical as to whether anything would come of this, which is looking to be the case. Mixing up facts, speculation and guesswork as to what actually happened seems pretty fruitless.

Maybe the word hating is not perfect but it was used to describe those who now want to slag him off.
Mixing up facts etc, who else would have received the letters and Hoffman spoke about the press contacting Bruce. The only speculation is that it is obvious who would have leaked them, ..those who received them?

ajsccfc · Aug 28, 2011

While your theory seems the most obvious, it could be theorised that the investors saw an easy way to pull out whilst saving face. After all, we know even less about them.

I believe Hoffman 100% had the right intentions, but that's not always enough. I don't really buy the idea that seasoned entrepreneurs could be put off a serious investment so easily though.

cloughie · Aug 28, 2011

ajsccfc;78001 I don't really buy the idea that seasoned entrepreneurs could be put off a serious investment so easily though.[/QUOTE said:
That was my concern other than they thought sisu were playing games with them. But confidentiality is a big issue in big business.

cloughie · Aug 28, 2011

ajsccfc said:
While your theory seems the most obvious, it could be theorised that the investors saw an easy way to pull out whilst saving face.

Back to the original thread so why bid in the 1st place if you have to save face?

ajsccfc · Aug 28, 2011

It wouldn't be the first time backers have changed their minds, that Manhattan group come to mind. This is just a wild theory of course, the sad truth is that it doesn't really matter any more.

cloughie · Aug 28, 2011

Still wonder why some now slagging off Hoffman and now siding with sisu

Macca · Aug 28, 2011

I'm not siding with anybody as I have no proof one way or another of how things went wrong.

Can't go with" SISU out "though until someone credible is lined up to replace them.

To be honest Orange Ken and Hoffman turned the whole saga into an episode of Jeremy Kyle with claim and counter claim.

How about a lie detector test

Chipfat · Aug 28, 2011

Some people are happy to believe KD even though he has no loyalty or love of our club, hoff no matter of personal opinion is a cov fan and is just in a position to help....Im sure if anyone, even those who are slaggin him off was in his position to help the club they love would do the same( i would )..... KD and P Clouting are towing the Sisu line as they are getting paid very well to feed the paying fan shit.... I cant believe some buy it,,, but they do and if i was hoff i would go back to being a fan and let someone who has no connection to the club take the shit....

johnniericoh · Aug 28, 2011

Cloughie me old mate,

I agree with you, it does seem so blatantly obvious that KD has sabotaged Hoff's bid - putting the Big Sam issue to one side the tanned one had no need to declare the identity of the backers before the deal was finalised - it was just obviously not on and totally unnecessary..

Reading the after comments of all parties it looks like there will be no immediate re-bid (if thats the word) from GH thus propelling this club to a potential fire sale of our more marketable players with no suitable replacements to follow.

PUSB

ajsccfc · Aug 28, 2011

The thing I don't get is - why sabotage a bid when you can just reject it? It can't be a PR thing as people hate SISU either way. Something doesn't add up, has anyone got one of those detective macs and an old monochrome video camera?

Mr T - Sukka! · Aug 28, 2011

Everyone i have spoke to wold welcome Hoffman wih open arms.

Its SISU everyone hates mate, 100% of people i have spoke to dont like them. I havent met anyone who likes/trusts them.

shmmeee · Aug 29, 2011

In businesses like football that are in the public eye leaks happen all the time. I follow the tech industry a lot, Apple's iPhone 4 was leaked before it was announced. Did Apple go "well we won't release it now if people know about it"? No, because they are serious business people and they follow through with their plan. Confidentiality would be nice, but it's never assumed as vital.

If this lot were at all serious about buying the club they'd still be in the process. People do business with aresholes all the time because essentially they want what the arseholes have got. It was an opportune moment to pull out after the bullshit of supposedly talking to the council when the council say they haven't (yes, both Hoffman and SISU are guilty of this) or not putting a proper bid in before going to the press, or the rest of the publicity seeking stunts Hoffman pulled instead of approaching this in a sensible, professional fashion.

If I want to buy your house I make an offer, I don't get my mates in the press to write about how you refuse to fix the roof and I'd be a much better owner.

Hoffman is a joker and a time waster, so deserves to be put in the same bracket as Dhinsa. Say what you like about SISU but they actually bought the club, which is more than anyone else can say.

One other point to think on: breaking an NDA (non-disclosure agreement or confidentiality clause) is against the law. If as is repeatedly claimed one was in place with SISU Hoffman's group have every right to sue SISU. I don't see that happening do you?

cloughie · Aug 29, 2011

shmmeee said:
In businesses like football that are in the public eye leaks happen all the time. I follow the tech industry a lot, Apple's iPhone 4 was leaked before it was announced. Did Apple go "well we won't release it now if people know about it"? No, because they are serious business people and they follow through with their plan. Confidentiality would be nice, but it's never assumed as vital.

If this lot were at all serious about buying the club they'd still be in the process. People do business with aresholes all the time because essentially they want what the arseholes have got. It was an opportune moment to pull out after the bullshit of supposedly talking to the council when the council say they haven't (yes, both Hoffman and SISU are guilty of this) or not putting a proper bid in before going to the press, or the rest of the publicity seeking stunts Hoffman pulled instead of approaching this in a sensible, professional fashion.

If I want to buy your house I make an offer, I don't get my mates in the press to write about how you refuse to fix the roof and I'd be a much better owner.

Hoffman is a joker and a time waster, so deserves to be put in the same bracket as Dhinsa. Say what you like about SISU but they actually bought the club, which is more than anyone else can say.

One other point to think on: breaking an NDA (non-disclosure agreement or confidentiality clause) is against the law. If as is repeatedly claimed one was in place with SISU Hoffman's group have every right to sue SISU. I don't see that happening do you?

No It won't happen because there wasn't NDA in place and that was what Hoff asked for before proceeding further. He asked for a confidentiality clause and look what he got, the absolute opposite. How do you do business with people who behave like?

cloughie · Aug 29, 2011

shmmeee said:
In businesses like football that are in the public eye leaks happen all the time. I follow the tech industry a lot, Apple's iPhone 4 was leaked before it was announced. Did Apple go "well we won't release it now if people know about it"? No, because they are serious business people and they follow through with their plan. Confidentiality would be nice, but it's never assumed as vital.

1/ Get real these companies release these details to the press to get prime press coverage

Quote- Hoffman is a joker and a time waster, so deserves to be put in the same bracket as Dhinsa. Say what you like about SISU but they actually bought the club, which is more than anyone else can say

2/seems like you are oblivious to the facts and rather naive

Chipfat · Aug 29, 2011

Confidentiality if agreed is important.

As for Sisu buying us SO WHAT,,,,it does not give them the right for total forgivness in how they have run the club as it is in no better situation now than the day they took over.... But you would blame hoff, RR Joe Elliot anyone but the people who controlled the money and had the final say in how , whats and wheres.. As for being naive these people have lied and proved to be spin merchants but you think evryone else is naive.... Transfer Embargos,, Loans on season tickets,,, remortgaging training ground and stating meetings with councils and you still think these are trusting and hoff is a waster!!!!!!

musicmanskyblue · Aug 29, 2011

Chipfat said:
Confidentiality if agreed is important.

As for Sisu buying us SO WHAT,,,,it does not give them the right for total forgivness in how they have run the club as it is in no better situation now than the day they took over.... But you would blame hoff, RR Joe Elliot anyone but the people who controlled the money and had the final say in how , whats and wheres.. As for being naive these people have lied and proved to be spin merchants but you think evryone else is naive.... Transfer Embargos,, Loans on season tickets,,, remortgaging training ground and stating meetings with councils and you still think these are trusting and hoff is a waster!!!!!!

Add to this... The King saga.. Promised replacements... The franchise player etc.. Ken Duliar has purposefully misled the fans on many occasions, whereby Negative opinions on Hoffmans intentions are pure speculation.. My vote goes with Hoffman everytime...

georgehudson · Aug 30, 2011

why is hoffman bid so bad?

was just wondering, ref a previous thread, that KD had taken delivery of a new Jag, supposedly paid for by CCFC, though he only spends 90 days in the UK, what cost ? what cost the new finance whizz kids to the club, more new persons to the board than players, is this a way to run a business ???????????????

Otis · Aug 30, 2011

"Hoffman is a joker and a time waster, so deserves to be put in the same bracket as Dhinsa. Say what you like about SISU but they actually bought the club, which is more than anyone else can say."

Smmeee, you give a very rational argument for backing Sisu and that is fair enough, but then why do you have to go completely the other way with Hoffman and start saying he is a joker and a time waster? There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that he doesn't have the best interests of Coventry City FC at heart. He may not of course, anything is possible, but there is absolutely no evidence of this at all!

Sorry, but just slating Hoffman and slinging mud at him without any real substance is just as bad as those doing so against Sisu without detailing their supposed misgivings too!!

Covstu · Aug 30, 2011

At this stage i would like Hoffman and co on board for the simple fact that he is a city fan but sadly thisis not enough. If they brought out SISU's debts we would not be in a better poisition and would be a matter of time before we are back to square one.
The 'excuses' that Hoffman has said for pulling out of such a major deal do not stack up, the Allerdyce and this letter from the solicitor are very weak reasons and seems a little playground antics between the two parties.

Otis · Aug 30, 2011

Covstu said:
At this stage i would like Hoffman and co on board for the simple fact that he is a city fan but sadly thisis not enough. If they brought out SISU's debts we would not be in a better poisition and would be a matter of time before we are back to square one.
The 'excuses' that Hoffman has said for pulling out of such a major deal do not stack up, the Allerdyce and this letter from the solicitor are very weak reasons and seems a little playground antics between the two parties.

Sorry, but I think it stacks up perfectly.

1. He has categorically stated that the Allardyce thing is not an issue. Allardyce would simply resign his position on the board with this company. When the deal was put together some months ago Allardyce was not in a job as a football manager and Hoffman has said he was perfectly aware of all this and that Allardyce would simply have stepped down..

2. So, so many faces owners behind football clubs. Even channel 4 couldn't pinpoint who was who involved with which clubs in English football. Why then wouldn't these backers with the City deal wish to remain faceless too? Not saying it is right to do so but that is the way it is in football today and understandable (though the reasons may well be dodgy) .

All stacks up perfectly for me.

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