The Gentleman
Well-Known Member
Are you now thinking behind her?
First time I've seen Joy full length.
I need to reconsider my position !!
Conversely he could have other motivations
Answer the question. What should they have done. Wait for Sisu FFS ?
in my opinion, you saying "it isn't relevant to Sisu" is almost letting them off the hook for not buying it.
Wasn't aimed at me but I'll answer. Very simply CCC should have first and foremost been honest and transparent. We ask that of SISU, not that we get it, but if you ask it of CCC, a body answerable to the public, you get accused of being a SISU lover.
For me if, as now seems to be the case, there was a need or desire to offload ACL then it shoud have been put on the market. An open sales process with everyone able to bid on the same thing.
As soon as CCC started talking to Wasps then CRFC should have been consulted. Similarly if an offer had come in from anyone else that could impact a local organisation I would have expected them to be consulted.
Two key points for me, firstly that the council have misled the public, and secondly it was all done in secret. Have they done anything illegal, doubtful as you would expect them to ensure they are covered in that respect, but that does not in any way mean that they have not acted incorrectly. Any enquiry needs to be in depth and detail the process the council went through, not some box ticking exercise.
Can't both be worthy of questioning?
Along the lines of... many things contributed to the club bogging off to Northampton, but only one entity actually did it... so many things may have contributed to ACL's sale, but only one group sold it.
So... can't it be worth asking why the club have moved on, won't interfere, but sue everyone in site... but also ask why a council protests about maintaining cultural assets for the city of coventry, but seems happy to flog said assets off to anything but the city of coventry?
I don't understand the binaries that turn up on here so much.
Fact or your opinion? To me they are relevant and to thousands of other people who wanted CCFC to own the Ricoh.
The way the story comes across is a balance to questions and answers, how people interpret them is another matter but in the interests of balance why do you always jump on these but not the 'other' threads? You see, in my opinion, you saying "it isn't relevant to Sisu" is almost letting them off the hook for not buying it.
Answer the question. What should they have done. Wait for Sisu FFS ?
The question the story is asking is "Why did the council sell to Wasps?"
... add that two potential buyers could have pushed the price up a bit.
Which makes it relevant to me, the relevance being that Sisu didn't buy it or want it.
Could have been lower if the bidding started at zero ?
No. Once again the question is why did they sell to wasps. It isn't why didn't they sell to SISU.
The answer is "What else could they do in view of the only other buyer was Sisu?"
Can't both be worthy of questioning?
Along the lines of... many things contributed to the club bogging off to Northampton, but only one entity actually did it... so many things may have contributed to ACL's sale, but only one group sold it.
So... can't it be worth asking why the club have moved on, won't interfere, but sue everyone in site... but also ask why a council protests about maintaining cultural assets for the city of coventry, but seems happy to flog said assets off to anything but the city of coventry?
I don't understand the binaries that turn up on here so much.
Sisu are relevant to this - they were putting the financial pressure on CCC. Who then found a buyer (or Wasps found them, who knows), Sisu didn't want the stadium as they plan to build their own etc.... And the ones that suffer are CCFC fans and (probably) CRFC fans. It's all about the money (there is a song in there somewhere I'm sure)
I've never said that the Council shouldn't also be asked, but this piece is asking the council and people saying including Sisu in it isn't relevant when in my eyes it is. I'm glad that you want questions of Sisu too. Problem is we don't seem to be getting them or even a push for them.
Haha you big Jessie;-)Sisu are relevant to this - they were putting the financial pressure on CCC. Who then found a buyer (or Wasps found them, who knows), Sisu didn't want the stadium as they plan to build their own etc.... And the ones that suffer are CCFC fans and (probably) CRFC fans. It's all about the money (there is a song in there somewhere I'm sure)
You're suggesting Wasps overpaid?
In which case, Fisher's right about the risk being too great, isn't he.
How about.....I've had enough crap from my tenant not paying the contracted rent(Which the tenant signed) He is trying to steal my property of which I paid a lot of money for. It is my property, and I can sell it to who ever I F**king like.(Taking into account the aforementioned who would you sell too?)
Can't both be worthy of questioning?
Along the lines of... many things contributed to the club bogging off to Northampton, but only one entity actually did it... so many things may have contributed to ACL's sale, but only one group sold it.
So... can't it be worth asking why the club have moved on, won't interfere, but sue everyone in site... but also ask why a council protests about maintaining cultural assets for the city of coventry, but seems happy to flog said assets off to anything but the city of coventry?
I don't understand the binaries that turn up on here so much.
How about.....I've had enough crap from my tenant not paying the contracted rent(Which the tenant signed) He is trying to steal my property of which I paid a lot of money for. It is my property, and I can sell it to who ever I F**king like.(Taking into account the aforementioned who would you sell too?)
I think we do. You can't move for people asking 'where are the plans'
And the club do respond... it's just the responses are bollocks! Even Ms. Garlick appears to have a certain exasperation in her own responses mind you, and seems keen to distance herself from the decision makers, so the frustration of every fan is clear.
Yes, maybe there should be a more concerted follow-up. Now there's a thought where Wasps could actually be handy - with less need for stories from CCFC, so less of a threat if access to players etc. is withdrawn, perhaps the Telegraph could go old skool and actually do some investigating...
So do want an inquiry or investigative journalism and the truth
I'd love some proper investigation into it all. proper old-style, dirty old perverts in macs meeting in car parks to exchange wads of papers with dynamite confessions on them; smoking a fag outside the Golden Cross with the former lover of key parties, to get the dirt dished - build up some cases.
You're right, I suspect legality is a red herring. Councils tend to cover themselves well, so do litigious investment companies. That doesn't stop there being a story there though, with all sides as the baddies.
Lars von Trier or Sam Peckinpah would be the director!
It needs Tom Bower to do it properly, interrogate *all* sides... or maybe the Davids, Yallop or Conn.
Id like to see Gene Hunt on the case...
a bent Labour council putting the boot in to a football club
I'm not sure why the CET felt the need to step up and answer the questions when really it was for the council to answer.
Expect the counterpoint in the Observer tomorrow or Thursday
Expect it fizzle out by mid May
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