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Which players would you keep for next season? (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Mar 21, 2021
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Frostie

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  • Mar 22, 2021
  • #36
Grendel said:
Owners are I think permitted to oversee losses of £15m and can put equity in the club
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Championship clubs are permitted to make a loss of up to £5m per season, this increases to £13m if the owners are prepared to inject the cash to cover it I believe.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 22, 2021
  • #37
Frostie said:
Championship clubs are permitted to make a loss of up to £5m per season, this increases to £13m if the owners are prepared to inject the cash to cover it I believe.
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It’s not measured until 3 seasons though so you can lose £39m by the end of season 3 and still even if the owner doesn’t fully address it the penalties are fairly mundane
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 22, 2021
  • #38
Why would so many people sell our top scorer?
 

cc84cov

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  • Mar 22, 2021
  • #39
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Why would so many people sell our top scorer?
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Walker ? He won’t be sold Robins chased him for over a year plus he will be top scorer in league 1
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 22, 2021
  • #40
Grendel said:
The point on the budget debate is mark robins has zero knowledge of other clubs budget (I assume he means wages) and the suggestion we have less spend than Wycombe is utter drivel
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People talk. Technically no one in my company knows each other’s wages, but we all do.
 

stevefloyd

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 22, 2021
  • #41
The list is

Marosi/ Wilson

Mason/Rose/McFadz/Hyam/Pask/Dabo/Dacosta/Reid

Kelly/Jones/Allen/Jobello/O'Hare/Hilsner/Kasta/Shipley/Hamer

Walker/Godden/Biamou/Baka/Tavares

These are the first teamers obviously not included the loanees although maybe Sheaf could be added and of course we have development players and the under 23's potentially

I guess we will see one of the goalkeepers going possibly Marosi because we may get money for him and keep Wilson as back up, less agro for Robins, with Mason, Allen, Jobello, Hilsner, Kasta, Shipley, Baka and maybe Hyam if Drysdale is deemed good enough to step up
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 22, 2021
  • #42
shmmeee said:
People talk. Technically no one in my company knows each other’s wages, but we all do.
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That’s in your company and wages are not budget
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 22, 2021
  • #43
Grendel said:
That’s in your company and wages are not budget
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Yes it is. It’s also an analogy showing that supposedly private info isn’t in a group that interact frequently. Such as employees and pay or football managers and playing budget.

Also they’ll talk to players who will know which clubs pay what.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 22, 2021
  • #44
shmmeee said:
Yes it is. It’s also an analogy showing that supposedly private info isn’t in a group that interact frequently. Such as employees and pay or football managers and playing budget.

Also they’ll talk to players who will know which clubs pay what.
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It really isn’t you don’t know the ins and outs of 23 separate olds and budget could mean many things;

Ratio to turnover
wages
Ability to transact and spend on new commodities
Amount of owner investment (which would be very confidential)

Rotherham had when relegated a £10 million wage bill. This season they have spent a tiny fee on one player. We have spent £2.5m on two alone and recruited a player in January from the premier league. So whose got the biggest ability to transact? The guy who spends £2.5m on new players or the one whose got an existing high wage bill and can’t transact?
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 22, 2021
  • #45
Grendel said:
It really isn’t you don’t know the ins and outs of 23 separate olds and budget could mean many things;

Ratio to turnover
wages
Ability to transact and spend on new commodities
Amount of owner investment (which would be very confidential)

Rotherham had when relegated a £10 million wage bill. This season they have spent a tiny fee on one player. We have spent £2.5m on two alone and recruited a player in January from the premier league. So whose got the biggest ability to transact? The guy who spends £2.5m on new players or the one whose got an existing high wage bill and can’t transact?
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Wages play a lot more of a role than fees IMO, and generally determine the quality you can get.

We’ve spent £2.5m of the £3m we earned for selling players, it’s a different model to Rotherham.

Also focusing on the three promoted teams and not the vast bulk of the division kind of misses the point.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #46
Ohare, Walker, godden, Marosi (as back up) rose, Kelly, Dabo, Leo (hopefully) Hamer......the rest can be replaced
 

SBAndy

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #47
shmmeee said:
I think I’d like to see us go back to 4231. Get a striker who can lead the line, a couple of wide forwards, and then hopefully we only need one CB a GK and a proper LB. Play O’Hare in the number 10 with Hamer and Sheaf behind.

We’ve really lacked wide forwards this season.
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It’s why I’d be looking at someone like Marcus Browne in the summer, who could play centrally (in a 1 or 2 behind a striker) or out wide (in a 3).
 
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #48
I would try to get money for Hyam, Jobello and Pask as they are good League 1 players which would add some money to the budget
 

PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #49
I would look at 3 center backs, a left back, 2 attacking Midfielders, a Defensive midfielder 2 wingers and a striker or 2
 

stupot07

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #50
shmmeee said:
I think I’d like to see us go back to 4231. Get a striker who can lead the line, a couple of wide forwards, and then hopefully we only need one CB a GK and a proper LB. Play O’Hare in the number 10 with Hamer and Sheaf behind.

We’ve really lacked wide forwards this season.
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Agreed We need to decide how we want to play, how we are going to score goals, etc and recruit to that.

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fatso

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #51
Pressuming we survive, I'd keep,

Dabo, Ostigard, Hyam, Rose, Hamer, kelly, James, Ohare, Walker and Godden.

That's 10 players out of an entire squad.
The rest I'd look to move on asap.

Sheaf and McRedcard I'd have to have a long think about, it depends on our budget, but I certainly wouldn't pay much for Sheaf, he looks bang average, and hes blocking Eccles's possible path to the first team.
 

fatso

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #52
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
I would look at 3 center backs, a left back, 2 attacking Midfielders, a Defensive midfielder 2 wingers and a striker or 2
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What the fuck would MR do with 2 wingers?
 

Sick Boy

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #53
fatso said:
Pressuming we survive, I'd keep,

Dabo, Ostigard, Hyam, Rose, Hamer, kelly, James, Ohare, Walker and Godden.

That's 10 players out of an entire squad.
The rest I'd look to move on asap.

Sheaf and McRedcard I'd have to have a long think about, it depends on our budget, but I certainly wouldn't pay much for Sheaf, he looks bang average, and hes blocking Eccles's possible path to the first team.
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We have an obligation to buy Sheaf.
 

fatso

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #54
Sick Boy said:
We have an obligation to buy Sheaf.
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I thought he had been released by Arsenal a few weeks ago, which should release us from the obligation.
Unless I misheard.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #55
fatso said:
I thought he had been released by Arsenal a few weeks ago, which should release us from the obligation.
Unless I misheard.
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As he’s on loan it would also mean he can’t play for us right now, which he’s doing. Can’t see that being true.
 

SBAndy

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #56
stupot07 said:
Agreed We need to decide how we want to play, how we are going to score goals, etc and recruit to that.

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Quite the opposite. We’ve done that this season and it’s limited us severely. Adaptability (as highlighted by my Marcus Browne example) is what I’d be looking at.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #57
SBAndy said:
Quite the opposite. We’ve done that this season and it’s limited us severely. Adaptability (as highlighted by my Marcus Browne example) is what I’d be looking at.
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We seemed to recruit for 352 this season and have barely played it.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #58
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
I would look at 3 center backs, a left back, 2 attacking Midfielders, a Defensive midfielder 2 wingers and a striker or 2
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What, no goalie
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #59
fatso said:
What the fuck would MR do with 2 wingers?
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Play them in midfield.
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #60
For next season imo (assuming we're signing James) then we need a new GK and let one go, either one or two CB (Ostigard unlikely but ideally him +1) and the other CB needs to be a left footer. If we can get a quality loan centre forward from the Prem along with the aforementioned new Keeper and CB then I think we're capable of top half.
 

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #61
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Ohare, Walker, godden, Marosi (as back up) rose, Kelly, Dabo, Leo (hopefully) Hamer......the rest can be replaced
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #62
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
What, no goalie
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Oh shit yeah sorry 2 goalkeepers as well
 
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #63
fatso said:
What the fuck would MR do with 2 wingers?
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For a change in system
 

fatso

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  • Mar 23, 2021
  • #64
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
For a change in system
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Ain’t happening, Just ask Kastaneer and Jobello.
 

PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #65
fatso said:
Ain’t happening, Just ask Kastaneer and Jobello.
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But the thing is they are not up to this level
 

Hobo

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #66
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
I would try to get money for Hyam, Jobello and Pask as they are good League 1 players which would add some money to the budget
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You wont generate much. Most League 1 transfers dont generate fees or very little.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #67
Hobo said:
You wont generate much. Most League 1 transfers dont generate fees or very little.
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It would only make sense to sell Hyam if we were to stay up.

However, assuming that was to happen, I'd wager that we'd be able to generate a fairly reasonable fee from the sale of Hyam. He's still relatively young, has experience in achieving promotion out of League One - where he was arguably one of the best CB's in the league - and despite struggling, has Championship experience as well.

It wouldn't be overly significant by any means but it would certainly help in boosting the coffers for the new season.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #68
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
It would only make sense to sell Hyam if we were to stay up.

However, assuming that was to happen, I'd wager that we'd be able to generate a fairly reasonable fee from the sale of Hyam. He's still relatively young, has experience in achieving promotion out of League One - where he was arguably one of the best CB's in the league - and despite struggling, has Championship experience as well.

It wouldn't be overly significant by any means but it would certainly help in boosting the coffers for the new season.
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We’d get about £100 grand for him
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #69
Grendel said:
We’d get about £100 grand for him
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I suspect we'd be able to get a little higher. My guess was around £200k - £250k.

Certainly enough to warrant the club activating his one-year extension and putting him out to market. Assuming we stay up that is.
 

cc84cov

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #70
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
I suspect we'd be able to get a little higher. My guess was around £200k - £250k.

Certainly enough to warrant the club activating his one-year extension and putting him out to market. Assuming we stay up that is.
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No chance he’s been exposed at this level
 
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