whats happened to the accounts then??? (10 Viewers)

mememe

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i thought they said the accounts would be sorted by now, lifting the transfer embargo.... this is seriously worrying, i can help but feel they are biding time and wasting time, i have a strong feeling they are waiting to see if we are relegated, if so they will go into admin, nothing to lose.. but if we stay up they will sell...

it is the only explanation that is feasible.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Nothing to gain from admin as they are the only creditors the club has. An administrator would attempt to find a suitable buyer, and the Hoffman consortium is the only interested party that has come forward. SISU are essentially acting as administrators themselves by trying to recoup as much as possible from what they loaned the club.
 

dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
Nothing to gain from admin as they are the only creditors the club has. An administrator would attempt to find a suitable buyer, and the Hoffman consortium is the only interested party that has come forward. SISU are essentially acting as administrators themselves by trying to recoup as much as possible from what they loaned the club.[/QUOT

That is my view exactly, they wont sell yet as there is still more to recoupl. They will strip it completely getting any penny they can from playing staff and next seasons season tickets etc

Then they will try and off load anyrmeaining debt to the hoff
 

mememe

New Member
the loan to the club is the stumbling block, you just know sisu are saying to Hofman, you buy the club you buy the loan, and hofman is saying we will buy the club but you have to take the fall on the loan. now i am no sisu fan, but if you were sisu would you simply forget about 35 million quid and walk away handing the keys over to hofman? no it is simply fantasy land.

the value of the club is zero if it stays up or goes down, we run at a massive loss, whilst all the time the original debt lies frozen in the name of ccfc and not sisu. Sisu want Hofman to accept the loan comes with the club and they want a payment for the club... i dont blame them, they have kept the club afloat, they have blead the club dry of tallent but how else were they supposed to recoup theyre losses? its alright despising the owners whoever they are, but when you look at portsmouth and rangers and other clubs, you must as i do come to the conclusion that in fact we have been quite lucky... ask yourself this, if it were richardson and the old lot in exactly the same position as sisu right now do you think they would have kept ploughing the money into the club to avoid administration? paying the rental fees of the ricoh, the wages and taking the losses without simply adding it to the loan? no they would have sold us down the river by now and we would be in a much worse state than portsmouth.

Its a tough time being a city fan but if hofman really wants to save our club he has to get the wedge out and make a serious offer sisu can not refuse, that would include taking on the loan and paying sisu a hefty lump sum to go away.... now do you think hofman has 45 to 50 million to risk on a club heading to league 1? no chance. the sooner admin comes, sisu go and the club can move into its next phase, whatever that may be. by the way there are two words why we will go down this year... Marlon King.. his double figures in goals this season would have made us safe by now.. you can balme sisu for that one but i bet you he was demanding 20 or 30 grand a week. we simply cant compete at thislevel anymore
 

EleanorRigby

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But SISU have done little or nothing to make sure we stay up, in fact they have done the oposite and i wonder if they want to stay up. Just taking on a couple of decent loanees added to the 3 we have would have helped and afterall they have a million and a half from the Jukewicz fee and are employing someone (Waggott) to find suitable players apparently.
 

EleanorRigby

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[... Marlon King.. his double figures in goals this season would have made us safe by now.. you can balme sisu for that one but i bet you he was demanding 20 or 30 grand a week. we simply cant compete at thislevel anymore[/QUOTE]King wasn't asking for anything like £20/30k a week. The reason he chose to leave was he asked for a 3 year deal and the ckub (Ken Dulieu) agreed and promised to send the contract out to be signed when it was received it was only for 2 years, Brum stepped in with a 3 year deal a little bit more money so he joined them. King was scathing about Dulieu i can assure you
 

Sub

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duleiu is a complete and utter twat as well as fooking up the king deal like ER states above he also fooked up the adam le fondre deal the guy is a complete and utter :jerkit::jerkit::jerkit: and all this while he was claiming travelling expenses and staying in posh hotels at the cost to CCFC and making CCFC a laughing stock when he was in the team dug out and changing rooms on a match day !!!!!
 

Astute

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Hoffman is not after buying our club. We don't have a clue who is interested in buying our club, so we don't even know what they can afford to lose.
 

crowsnest

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[... Marlon King.. his double figures in goals this season would have made us safe by now.. you can balme sisu for that one but i bet you he was demanding 20 or 30 grand a week. we simply cant compete at thislevel anymore King wasn't asking for anything like £20/30k a week. The reason he chose to leave was he asked for a 3 year deal and the ckub (Ken Dulieu) agreed and promised to send the contract out to be signed when it was received it was only for 2 years, Brum stepped in with a 3 year deal a little bit more money so he joined them. King was scathing about Dulieu i can assure you

Good to see £780,000 more is a little bit more money in your terms.

Birm contract £2,340,000 if we are to believe it is £15k a week.

Points per game last season where King played 1.2, when he didn't play 1.2
 

Mr T - Sukka!

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Geoffery Robinson put in £23 Million of his own money into CCFC and had to walk away without a penny.

Are we now saying SISU cannot walk away becasue they have invested £30 million? Dont forget they got the shares for nothing. Its practically the same situation.
 
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Jack Griffin

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Good to see £780,000 more is a little bit more money in your terms.

Birm contract £2,340,000 if we are to believe it is £15k a week.

Points per game last season where King played 1.2, when he didn't play 1.2

More bollocks stats, we did well till Cars got injured & Doyle was sold, then really badly, then OK again once King had got his fitness & started scoring freely. It was a whole team issue.
 

mememe

New Member
you have to consider his goals this season, now he is fully fit, not in the same shape with us when he was essentially finding his feet back. simple really, no King = no goals.... macdonald, platt, eastwood, etc = no goals.... hence we are going down...
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
If SISU wanted administration they would have done it by now - makes no sense for them to put in more to lose it later in administration.

An administrator would come in, cut costs and look for a buyer - seems to me to be exactly what SISU are doing anyway without the club being in administration and losing 10 points. So why appoint administrators? I would guess the SISU investors loan could well be classed as football debt also - much like Chanrai etc at Pompey

The accounts are held up because there has been no agreed plan to cover at least 12 months from now. The auditors will not sign the accounts off without checking those plans and agreeing the club is a going concern. If there is a plan to sell all the players they can then that puts at risk any going concern conclusion - so that means either the accounts wont be signed or they will be qualified as not a going concern, which would have serious consequences

The players are assets (Debateable) of CCFC who also owns the league registration, any sale of assets would offset any liabilities in CCFC first and foremost things like wages, suppliers, VAT, PAYE etc which the current level of income does not fully cover. Not to mention that in the months of May June and July there is very little income but the same overheads and wages. Where is all this money to repay SISU coming from exactly? If SISU are still putting money in as we are told why do that knowing they will have to write off 100% of any new money ?

Yes Marlon King wanted a three year contract but he also wanted to maximise his earnings. He did both and we could not compete. We only think he may have scored 10 to 15 goals for us - we dont know that for sure, those goals could have come in the games we actually won or not made any difference to losing the games we did. You can not say it would have made a difference only that it may have. Well done for him but we couldnt afford him even at £15k pw, when will people understand we dont have the money needed, unless mega rich anyone coming in isnt going to have the money simply to throw at it, we need to get used to tight budgets and little spending because until the club turns the financial corner there is no alternative way to fund it.

The shares that were given up when SISU came in - much like now they had no value in monetary terms. The club was worthless, broke and about to go out of business when SISU took over. To be honest anyone putting millions into an all but bankrupt club would want total control. The arguement financially about the shares being handed over is pointless - would folk rather have their shares but no club? Yes a few feelings might have been hurt, yes fans cant go to an AGM, but did those shares give them any say whatsoever - NO. Welcome to the harsh reality of business

Player sales - read the 2010 accounts etc it was never a secret., it was always going to happen. Think about it too other clubs are prepared to offer big contracts to players at a time when our only alternative to keep the club going is to cut costs. Yes the club set and is sticking to the budget, but the players also have a decision in this. If you could get more elsewhere to provide for your family what would you do - isnt always better though is it ...... is Westwood playing regularly even if he earns a reported £25k pw

We are all but broke, the only reason we are still here is that SISU investors pick up the slack in the cashflow that isnt covered by ticket sales or the sales of players. There is no pot of cash that is sitting there to spend or reimburse investors. We dont have lots of players to sell, three of our apparently more saleable ones will probably be leaving for nothing come the summer. SISU cant get the money back right now and the losses give the Club no value. Administration wont help anyone including SISU, GH doesnt seem to be making much progress and from what I can see will replace loans with guess what .... loans. The only way is to somehow get the club financially viable and to breakeven at least........ how they do that in League 1 god knows
 
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
Just a question but why did GR actually put the money in ?

Couldnt be to cover the losses that he and his mates (BR MM ETC) made whilst mismanaging the club in the first place could it ?

Without their involvement, wthout the creation of massive losses and debts whilst they were directors then we would have never heard of SISU. People seem to expect SISU to write off their money then go poor GR he was so hard done by.

Have no sympathy for SISU and no more sympathy for the directors who created the mess in the first place
 

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