"You didn't hear what Corbyn said did you?" Of course not, because unlike you, I'm an idiot.
Bojo wants to be positive & everyone else to be too. It's a nicer feeling than negative.Sorry you've lost me?
Bojo wants to be positive & everyone else to be too. It's a nicer feeling than negative.
My point really is that question politicians on their policies & aims & the finite "where is the money going to come from" rarely gets answered.
I suspect you will happily swallow down Labour policies...but are slating Bojo's. Look more closely & without emotion, at the cost of some of Labour's policies & you'll probably be mocking & asking the same question you're asking about Bojo's. Like renationalising the rail network - c£130billion. Who is going to pay for that? ONE policy!
Many times throughout my life policies of both parties have been appealing to us, the public, until in some way or another WE have to pay for it. It presents moral dilemmas at every turn.
£1.1billion to reign the yobs & baddies in, protecting us law-abiding citizens will be money well spent in many people's eyes.
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He’ll have to in an election though Clint.Well he didn't come out and get behind remain unequivocally.
Same as Boris said repeatedly we don't one no deal when he has assembled a hard Brexit cabinet.
Would be more trouble than it's worth in their own.parties for either of them to nail their colours to those particular masts at the moment.
I'm not questioning his policies I'm questioning how he's going to pay for them. He cannot pay for them with positivity no matter how many times everyone repeats the word.
He is the incumbent PM, whataboutery about Labour is irrelevant, and you are making yourself look foolish going on about policies in a Labour manifesto for an election they lost while not questioning a spending list as long as your arm announced by Boris yesterday's .
Johnson is in office and he's announced what looks like a spending spree.
Even more sensible Tory supporters are questioning how it's going to be paid for, especially when we don't know how we will be leaving the EU so can't put an accurate value on what that is going to cost us.
He looks as though he's pressing ahead with the extra police which is good but again, he doesnt say where the funds ars coming from but has already reneged on the assurances given to EU citizens.
But I'm sure you'll try and divert away from that by going on about something Corbyn did.
Yes...I'm the fool because I cannot see the difference between your questioning where the money for his policies is coming from & your questioning his policies.
Maybe that says more about you? No matter how you dress it up - you're basically making an attempt at Tory-bashing again.
The failed (affordable???) railway renationalisation policy is still alive & kicking btw... Labour 'could nationalise rail in five years'
Now I think that, & indeed a lot of other Labour policies would be good things myself...but just like Bojo has yet to do they fail to describe where the money is coming from in detail. And that is just one policy...& the cost is expected to be 10x Bojo's police policy.
Perpective & weighing up the alternatives take time. Being less partisan is a good start point for that.
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He’ll have to in an election though Clint.
It’s a bizarre time in politics. If labour had backed Mays deal then Lib Dem’s and Brexit Party wouldn’t be picking up Labour voters from both sides of the argument. The withdrawal agreement pretty much gave labour everything they wanted apart from a lack of clarity over the future relationship, which we all know was to be negotiated and agreed during the transition period. The backstop would’ve given them the comfort of remaining in a customs union until a trade agreement/deal was reached ie ‘protecting jobs’ (we’ll ignore the fact they switched from campaigning to leave the customs union/single market at last election) . Corbyn rejected this gambling on forcing an election.
I hated Corbyns intentional ambiguity and politicising of Brexit. It’s far too important. However, I honestly believed it was working for him....until the European elections. It may now be coming back to haunt him.
Ps just to clarify, the continued behaviour/stance of the ERG and the staunch Remainers (at all costs) have pissed me off as much as Corbyn !
Said he who bought Kevin Keegan into the discussion? Or am I being foolish again?On this thread I said if he implements half of what he says he will I'll take my hat off to him- that's Tory bashing in your world?
You're too negative Baz!
As for renationalisation, it was done to death on another thread but it's a bit more of a complex issue than the cost.
You do realise that at times the east coast franchise has been bought back in to state ownership under this government?
What that effectively means is we've nationalised the losses but let the private sector keep the profit, surely you can see the flaw there?
My big concern regarding renationalising isn't the initial cost, it's can the government operate at a profit on franchises the private sector couldn't. But really, why we're debating something from a manifesto that won't be implemented is mystifying, but that's the bazza way!
I see your point, but I understand the ambiguity, not just from Corbyn but others.
Boris the other day continually mentioned that he wanted a deal but was prepared for no deal just to try and placate both sides of his party.
If they nail their colours firmly to a particular Brexit mast they risk all out civil war in their respective parties. They are probably only delaying the inevitable splits anyway.
Said he who bought Kevin Keegan into the discussion? Or am I being foolish again?
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Bojo wants to be positive & everyone else to be too. It's a nicer feeling than negative.
My point really is that question politicians on their policies & aims & the finite "where is the money going to come from" rarely gets answered.
I suspect you will happily swallow down Labour policies...but are slating Bojo's. Look more closely & without emotion, at the cost of some of Labour's policies & you'll probably be mocking & asking the same question you're asking about Bojo's. Like renationalising the rail network - c£130billion. Who is going to pay for that? ONE policy!
Many times throughout my life policies of both parties have been appealing to us, the public, until in some way or another WE have to pay for it. It presents moral dilemmas at every turn.
£1.1billion to reign the yobs & baddies in, protecting us law-abiding citizens will be money well spent in many people's eyes.
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Positivity is the last hiding place of idiots with no plan. Blair could be positive. Cameron could be positive. They had clear plans. Boris is using it as a mask for his lack of understanding. There’s a reason he hid from the press for his entire campaign
He didn't exactly hide did he?
Well he’s wrongJohnson is of course implying we will potentially have £39 billion that is no longer going to the the EU post October
Well he’s wrong
No - that is how the press reported it as it knocked their noses out of joint, & you & others lapped it up. Meanwhile Bojo focused on forming policies & getting casting MPs onside.Yes he did.
He didn't exactly hide did he? He just didn't pander to their wish for him to speak with them until he wanted to...or was allowed to by him team as they know his clumsy rhetoric would give his opponents ammunition. Plus, I'm sure I saw him on TV a couple of times in head to heads.
As I said before - the press weren't casting or influencing the vote, so why speak to them? While the others were doing so - he was canvassing MPs support.
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I didn't, he did.& you & others lapped it up.
Let’s wait for some actual detail and something physically happening. Like the idea he’s got 20 K policeman just sitting round waiting to start up,
Because a free press is part of a liberal democracy. If you want to run the country you should put yourself up for scrutiny.
Why do these far right fucks always want secrecy? Trumps tax returns, Banks and Farages donations. Yaxley-Lennon’s financing. Johnsons everything.
There’s a tradition and an expectation around what a potential PM will put themselves up for that Johnson completely ignored because he knew he’d look bad.
Can’t believe people are gullible enough to read that as “sticking it to the press”. The press are us ya eejit. They’re our eyes and ears as a group. The fact people see them as the enemy is downright scary. They may not be perfect, but they’re a damn sight better than randoms on YouTube and anonymous blogs.
No - I just made the observation. You leapt on the 'hiding' bandwagonI didn't, he did.
You lapped up the fact he didn't.
Nobody is under obligation to speak to the press. Nobody is beyond press scrutiny. Bojo was, is & will continue to be scrutinised.
He was under no obligation to talk to the press during any part of the leadership campaign. Some see that as hiding if he chooses to bide his time...I call it focused on the job in hand given I believe he was canvassing support amongst those casting votes.
He was a potential PM...where & how realistically could he possibly hide?
As for your slant on 'far-right fucks'...even the moderate right/left are just as bad if delved into.
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That’s going to be really help make the UK look like a trustworthy trading partner to others around the worldJohnson is of course implying we will potentially have £39 billion that is no longer going to the the EU post October
Johnson hid from the press, you and others lapped it up that he didn't.No - I just made the observation. You leapt on the 'hiding' bandwagon
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Strange question...& not sure why you ask it?So do you believe that Corbyn is also focusing on strategy and policy? Or is he just hiding and being indecisive?
It'd be a good thing if they junked it!This is my one and only post here - raise the money needed for change by binning HS2
That’s going to be really help make the UK look like a trustworthy trading partner to others around the world
It will make absolutely no difference to any other country who wants to trade with us.
Experts with far more experience than you have said otherwise.
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