Well yes i agree, which is very far from other messages in this thread saying they should “put this stuff in the water” and similar comments. There’s a place for it as a nuclear option, but there are side effects which should be taken seriously and it also does not fix the underlying problem which is having a healthy relations on with food and exercise.
There’s a cruel irony to people saying that it’s not as simple as reducing caloric intake, or that they’re eating at a calorie deficit and simply not losing weight so there must be something else at play, and those same people also saying a drug that literally just reduces your appetite to the point where you are running an extreme calorie deficit, is the answer. Which one is it?
Jesus Christ…It’s another weapon in the arsenal against a disease that costs loads and ruins lives and we have very few effective treatments for.
Jesus Christ…
You understand it’s essentially an appetite suppressant don’t you?
Yeah and I think most mental health professionals would say that, for example with anxiety, if you can treat it with therapy and get to the underlying cause then that’s the preferred route rather than just prescribing a bunch of Xanax?It just comes off same as the meme in mental health about “drugs not being the best way”
Yeah and I think most mental health professionals would say that, for example with anxiety, if you can treat it with therapy and get to the underlying cause then that’s the preferred route rather than just prescribing a bunch of Xanax?
Not a perfect comparison but if you want to play shit analogy bingo
I wouldn’t say I’m “so against” it. It’s your body do what you wish, I just think it’s a dangerous narrative to be spewing it as some miracle cure or nothing else works. It’s a last resort and should be treated that wayYes. I’m not sure why you think I don’t. Obviously it works well for some people where self control alone don’t. Why are you so against it?
I wouldn’t say I’m “so against” it. It’s your body do what you wish, I just think it’s a dangerous narrative to be spewing it as some miracle cure or nothing else works. It’s a last resort and should be treated that way
My understanding, from talking at length to a couple of the consultants involved in this at UHCW is that when people say it reduces your appetite they are massively over simplifying what is happening.There’s a cruel irony to people saying that it’s not as simple as reducing caloric intake, or that they’re eating at a calorie deficit and simply not losing weight so there must be something else at play, and those same people also saying a drug that literally just reduces your appetite to the point where you are running an extreme calorie deficit, is the answer. Which one is it?
Please could you provide some quotes using the quote feature on where i have insulted anyone or ranted?All you’ve done is rant and insult
Just to repeat myself because you clearly have a bit of a comprehension issue, I don't upset me and I am not set against it.I’m having trouble understanding why this medicine in particular upsets you so much.
The narrative that it is a miracle solution and nothing else works is dangerous because that will lead to mass overuse in inappropriate situations. The narrative that "nothing else works" very much diminished the importance of other well documented and proven methods which have already been mentioned, such as lifestyle changes, dietary modifications, and probably most importantly mental health interventions. Ozempic on its own isn't going to fix things, it's a short term boost but needs to be used in conjunction with these other things for long term physical and mental health. Otherwise people just rebound or cannot get themselves off it.Why is it dangerous?
i think there’s a bit of confusion in this explanation...saying that essentially some people’s brains don’t know they’re full and that Ozempic fixes that oversimplifies how hunger and fullness actually work. it’s not like there’s some part of the brain that’s completely broken for people who struggle with weigh - it’s more about how the signals are processed and how hormones like GLP-1, leptin, and ghrelin function.My understanding, from talking at length to a couple of the consultants involved in this at UHCW is that when people say it reduces your appetite they are massively over simplifying what is happening.
To be fair some of this stuff goes over the head so this is only the basics but from the parts that I can follow there's an almond shaped part of the brain involved. When they study people that really struggle to lose weight they find that this part of the brain is a different size. This is linked to signals being sent to the brain, or more accurately not being sent. In short when you eat certain reactions should be triggered by your brain and signals sent that you are now full and for some people that simply doesn't happen.
What the drug does is stimulate that response. That's why you hear people talk about 'food noise', for people like this their brain is 24/7 screaming for more food to fuel the body. People in that situation start taking the drug and talk about it like someone flipping a switch.
That’s brilliant Nick - well doneDone just over 2 stone since the end of January.
Just need to get back in the gym now as I've been pretty much just doing cardio. (Walking mostly)
Secret weapon. A treadmill under my stand up desk and no pints.
Done just over 2 stone since the end of January.
Just need to get back in the gym now as I've been pretty much just doing cardio. (Walking mostly)
Secret weapon. A treadmill under my stand up desk and no pints.
Done just over 2 stone since the end of January.
Just need to get back in the gym now as I've been pretty much just doing cardio. (Walking mostly)
Secret weapon. A treadmill under my stand up desk and no pints.
got a recommendation for the treadmill? I’m looking for one myself.
Eating next to nothing could also be why she has trouble losing weight.Without wanting to reignite the Jab discussion. Wife’s done it for a couple of months under close medical supervision and is looking great and feels great. She has always eaten next to nothing but never loses weight. So it needed something. They talk about fat cells having memory and you need to break that memory cycle… then you come off the jabs.
What I’m saying is that in many cases it’s nothing to do with self control … but sometimes you just need something different. If it takes a couple of years off her life but she has 20 more very happy ones then it’s worth it.
Not good for me though as I’m just finishing her dinner all the time.
How many steps do you do! Walk all day!This one - https://amzn.to/4cHDoyt
It works fine for just fast walking, wouldn't want to try and run on it though.
Usually just 10k but before I was sat on my arse for most of itHow many steps do you do! Walk all day!
Yep def… she needs to up her calories and they have said that.Eating next to nothing could also be why she has trouble losing weight.
Thoroughly depressing to hear a news report at the weekend that food manufacturers are heavily investing in research to develop foods that are resistant to the effects of weight-loss injections.
Exactly that. They're worried that people will eat less and / or more healthily which will lead to reduced sales so they're planning to alter the contents of the food to nullify the effects of the drugs.Purely just to keep selling more food? They may as well just put crack in as well.
As I've said numerous times, having a profit incentive makes people be completely shitty.Exactly that. They're worried that people will eat less and / or more healthily which will lead to reduced sales so they're planning to alter the contents of the food to nullify the effects of the drugs.
This isn't a new thing tbh. There was a documentary on the BBC recently where food scientists were quite openly talking about all sorts of research and experiments done on food so they could come up with the perfect combination of additives to maximise consumption.
There was even someone on there talking about how Pringles tubes are deliberately designed to be smaller than the average human hand because that then triggers something in the brain that makes you want to go back for more.
Irresistible: Why We Can’t Stop Eating
Chris van Tulleken takes a personal view at why ultra-processed foods are so irresistible and how they have come to dominate food culture.www.bbc.co.uk
They put caramel in cat food it's claimed it is simply a colourant but it's basically sugar but they've been treading this path since pet food was invented.Purely just to keep selling more food? They may as well just put crack in as well.
They put caramel in cat food it's claimed it is simply a colourant but it's basically sugar but they've been treading this path since pet food was invented.
The hidden reason processed pet foods are so addictive
From potently smelly additives to offal concentrates, pet food companies turn to some surprising ingredients in the quest to make kibble delicious.www.bbc.co.uk
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