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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (9 Viewers)

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hill83

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,591
shmmeee said:
I do, but I’m balding from the crown not the hairline.

I appreciate Hill dropping a few pounds and sorting my teeth though!
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Fucking hell, I feel bad now ha ha
 
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Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,592
Are the council moving just to make sure that the stadium remains operational so things like football and the casino can continue to operate? One would imagine that the stadium could be locked by the bond holders if they own it effectively, Wasps training ground was locked up immediately.
 

hutch1972

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,593
MalcSB said:
I’m not entirely sure whether “state aid” is “illegal” since Brexit.
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State aid is no longer a problem, but innopropriate use of taxpayers money during these times is complete fuckwittery. Both Wasps and CCC are hiding some dirty little secrets somewhere.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,594
When this is passed we will be moving again.
 

mr_monkey

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,595
shmmeee said:
Nope. Hope it’s voted down. Would be a ridiculous waste of taxpayer money and completely unprecedented. The arena has interest, let it and Wasps self made demise play out.
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The positive of all the wasps stuff, proper forum love in

(Will be back to calling each other cunts soon I'm sure )
 

jordan210

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,596
Tommo1993 said:
So are we not going to find out the result of the vote more or less straight away?
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I can tell you the result now if you would like ?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,597
Senior Vick from Alicante said:
Are the council moving just to make sure that the stadium remains operational so things like football and the casino can continue to operate? One would imagine that the stadium could be locked by the bond holders if they own it effectively, Wasps training ground was locked up immediately.
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They wouldn't have to do this until they're actually in admin?
 
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skyblue_rich

New Member
  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,598
Here is the list of all labour councillors - think we need to email all (aside from leader - george.duggins@coventry.gov.uk -of them letting them know how awful this is:

pervez.akhtar@coventry.gov.uk; abdul.khan@coventry.gov.uk; abdul.jobbar@coventry.gov.uk; Angela.Hopkins@coventry.gov.uk; Antony.Tucker@coventry.gov.uk; bally.singh@coventry.gov.uk; becky.gittins@coventry.gov.uk; catherine.miks@coventry.gov.uk; david.welsh@coventry.gov.uk; kindy.sandhu@coventry.gov.uk; randhir.auluck@coventry.gov.uk; ed.ruane@coventry.gov.uk; faye.abbott@coventry.gov.uk; gavin.lloyd@coventry.gov.uk; Gurdev.Hayre@coventry.gov.uk; jaswant.birdi@coventry.gov.uk; jayne.innes@coventry.gov.uk; jim.o'boyle@coventry.gov.uk; joseph.clifford@coventry.gov.uk; john.mcnicholas@coventry.gov.uk; kamran.caan@coventry.gov.uk; kevin.maton@coventry.gov.uk; linda.bigham@coventry.gov.uk; lindsley.harvard@coventry.gov.uk; mal.mutton@coventry.gov.uk; maya.ali@coventry.gov.uk; naeem.akhtar@coventry.gov.uk; patricia.hetherton@coventry.gov.uk; pat.seaman@coventry.gov.uk; Rachel.lancaster@coventry.gov.uk; ram.lakha@coventry.gov.uk; richard.brown@coventry.gov.uk; robert.thay@coventry.gov.uk; rupinder.singh@coventry.gov.uk; seyi.agboola@coventry.gov.uk; Shakila.Nazir@coventry.gov.uk
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,599
hutch1972 said:
State aid is no longer a problem, but innopropriate use of taxpayers money during these times is complete fuckwittery. Both Wasps and CCC are hiding some dirty little secrets somewhere.
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Pretty sure we have our own state aid laws.

Either way, it’s going to kick the can - it’ll be enough to pay off HMRC (2m) so they can’t force admin

wasps have terminal problems - it’s going to happen regardless
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,600
hill83 said:
Fucking hell, I feel bad now ha ha
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New avatar just dropped

 
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SBAndy

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,601
jordan210 said:
I can tell you the result now if you would like ?
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I’ll be watching the highlights on Quest so could you not?
 
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ccfcrob

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,602
Being as sad as I am, I have added the attendance of every "home" Wasps fixture since moving to the city taken from the Gallagher Premier League website.

Total 1,132,453.

They played 79 league games during this time. (I have not added the fixtures with 0 attendance due to Covid.

This averages out as 14,334.

Now lets be very generous and say that 70% of tickets were paid for.

That would be 792,717 paid bums on seats.

This figure averages out over the 79 games as 10,034.

Id say that this is beyond generous as at times over the last 2 seasons they have had gates of below 7000.

In comparison, our average home league attendance (according to google) was 9255 in LEAGUE TWO.

Our average home league attendance (Cov Tel) was 6443 at ST. ANDREWS.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,603
 
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Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,604
wingy said:
They wouldn't have to do this until they're actually in admin?
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Is that why its tonight as the admin is said to be Monday?
 

tisza

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,605
Don't suppose anyone lives close enough to get down there and protest in person?
 

TomRad85

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,606
I just can't understand the justification. The club is doomed to fail, so what's the point? Will they just try this again... and again... and again...

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Travs

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,607
When the council "stepped in" with assistance in the construction of the Ricoh Arena.... are they still owed money from that?

I assume that is the "debt" which is saddled over the arena.... is that still owed to council, or is it somewhere else (bondholders?)
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,608
Senior Vick from Alicante said:
Is that why its tonight as the admin is said to be Monday?
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Yeah could be.
 

hutch1972

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,609
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Pretty sure we have our own state aid laws.

Either way, it’s going to kick the can - it’ll be enough to pay off HMRC (2m) so they can’t force admin

wasps have terminal problems - it’s going to happen regardless
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True, we still have our own state aid, but it is very relaxed compared to European laws. If CCC don't need the hassle and cost of the arena, may I suggest they just sell the freehold and wash their hands of it completely.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,610
Wow, just seen that the council will end up bailing them out.

Is it actually serious???
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,611
Travs said:
When the council "stepped in" with assistance in the construction of the Ricoh Arena.... are they still owed money from that?

I assume that is the "debt" which is saddled over the arena.... is that still owed to council, or is it somewhere else (bondholders?)
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The latter plus some.
Nothing due to the council AFAIK.
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,612
wingy said:
The latter plus some.
Nothing due to the council AFAIK.
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Don’t forget the money Tesco paid for the arena park too.


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Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,613
TomRad85 said:
I just can't understand the justification. The club is doomed to fail, so what's the point? Will they just try this again... and again... and again...

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Probably continue until those with personal interest in them succeeding retire.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,614
jordan210 said:
I can tell you the result now if you would like ?
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Please don’t, I’m clinging on to an unlikely correct decision!
 

tisza

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,615
Travs said:
When the council "stepped in" with assistance in the construction of the Ricoh Arena.... are they still owed money from that?

I assume that is the "debt" which is saddled over the arena.... is that still owed to council, or is it somewhere else (bondholders?)
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No. They took over CCFC's part of ACL. Then outstanding loan was eventually cleared by the money from this bond being used to settle the loan CCC had put in. Basically it was the court case.
Roughly speaking the bond holders have "loaned" Wasps the money to clear the Council's debt with ACL.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,616
Tommo1993 said:
So are we not going to find out the result of the vote more or less straight away?
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Is it a private one with no minutes again?
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,617
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,618
Nick said:
Is it a private one with no minutes again?
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Yep very secretive.
 

Paul Anthony

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,619
Nick said:
Is it a private one with no minutes again?
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Of course it is. I'm sure they already know its going to pass, this is just a mere form filling exercise to satisfy formalities.
 
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Travs

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,620
tisza said:
No. They took over CCFC's part of ACL. Then outstanding loan was eventually cleared by the money from this bond being used to settle the loan CCC had put in. Basically it was the court case.
Roughly speaking the bond holders have "loaned" Wasps the money to clear the Council's debt with ACL.
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Thank you.

I was just seeing if there was any angle from the council point of view that they helped bail out CCFC/the construction of the ground.

Seems not.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,621
sotvtoday said:
If SISU get the stadium it just gives them another chance to rape the club doesn't it?
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How are they raping it you clown?
 

Bugsy

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,622
Just got a responce from my email sent to Mr Duggins

Duggins, George (Cllr)
14:34 (4 minutes ago)
to me

Dear Mr ********

Thank you for your email.

There will be no financial package being made available to Wasps.

Best wishes

George
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,623
mr_monkey said:
@shmmeee
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TomRad85

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,624
Just occurred to me, is this real or just satire? Very funny lads, almost had me there with the classic council bailing out Wasps routine.

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Fletch

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  • Oct 14, 2022
  • #2,625
SHUNT31 said:
This is actually a good point.

But, surely that would carve up an even bigger argument about collusion and conflicts of interest?


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None apparently
 

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