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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (6 Viewers)

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,731
Many things are uncertain at the moment, but I guarantee if the council can help get Wasps back to the CBS, then they will.

It isn't about what will work or what is right. It's still about gravy trains and egos. That could of course change. I fucking hope it does...
 
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hill83

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,732
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Many things are uncertain at the moment, but I guarantee if the council can help get Wasps back to the CBS, then they will.

It isn't about what will work or what is right. It's still about gravy trains and egos. That could of course change. I fucking hope it does...
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@shmmeee


 
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slowpoke

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,733
The Philosopher said:
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Just going back to what we thought SISU needed to walk away, I dug out this old chart from Swiss Ramble.

It looks plausible and since then (2021) I think SISU put in another £5m

Is that £57m of debt? (Gross) and then there’ll be another £2m of “interest”.

I waffled before about CCFC being shown as £60m on their books.

Just saying.
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But what have they taken out fees for Maddison, Bayliss, McCallum, Hyam plus other bits and pieces like the Thomas extra fee for transferring to Newcastle.
 
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WestEndAgro

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,734
ajsccfc said:
This is the first I'm hearing of the red one, that'd be much more my style
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Red one is Dark Chocolate, it's been around Donkeys years, well atleast 50 odd years.

Edit someone beat me to it.
 
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djr8369

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,735
gazza said:
I’ve read every post in this thread and I’ve not got a clue what’s happening
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Pretty straight forward fella, Bounty are being taken out of Celebrations for a trial period. The shortage will be made up with an equal distribution of the other confectionary.

The arguments are over whether or not Bounty are a good sweet, which is why the thread is so long. Do keep up.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,736
hill83 said:
@shmmeee


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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,737
The Philosopher said:
View attachment 27016View attachment 27016

Just going back to what we thought SISU needed to walk away, I dug out this old chart from Swiss Ramble.

It looks plausible and since then (2021) I think SISU put in another £5m

Is that £57m of debt? (Gross) and then there’ll be another £2m of “interest”.

I waffled before about CCFC being shown as £60m on their books.

Just saying.
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£57m in actual money they have invested in CCFC no. In terms of manufactured debt i should imagine its well north of £100m if you add in the pseudo manufactured debt of the preference shares

the £28.6m (a) wasnt all put as cash <at best around £18m> and (b) sits in SBS&L not Otium without being secured on anything so is not a liability of CCFC/Otium (c) has been moved around different funds so probably on their investment books has very little value now because of that.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,738
The Philosopher said:
View attachment 27016View attachment 27016

Just going back to what we thought SISU needed to walk away, I dug out this old chart from Swiss Ramble.

It looks plausible and since then (2021) I think SISU put in another £5m

Is that £57m of debt? (Gross) and then there’ll be another £2m of “interest”.

I waffled before about CCFC being shown as £60m on their books.

Just saying.
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Its £20 million in Otium entertainment

Just saying
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,739
slowpoke said:
But what have they taken out fees for Maddison, Bayliss, McCallum, Hyam plus other bits and pieces like the Thomas extra fee for transferring to Newcastle.
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He’s talking nonsense as usual
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,740
shmmeee said:
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Big Mike in the portrait behind Commissioner Gordon
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,741
oldskyblue58 said:
£57m in actual money they have invested in CCFC no. In terms of manufactured debt i should imagine its well north of £100m if you add in the pseudo manufactured debt of the preference shares

the £28.6m (a) wasnt all put as cash <at best around £18m> and (b) sits in SBS&L not Otium without being secured on anything so is not a liability of CCFC/Otium (c) has been moved around different funds so probably on their investment books has very little value now because of that.
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So anyway, what do we think SISU need to let go?

There must be a wiped face figure that doesn’t create a ripple in their set up.

Is £60m far off?
 

The Philosopher

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,742
And in any case, back in 2017 when the playing squad was worth a box of Celebrations without any Bountys (Bounties? - tricky with brands to get the right grammar, anyway) just relegated to L2, debt to revenue ratio of 10 times or whatever…..

We’ve come a long way.
 

shepardo01

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,743
djr8369 said:
Yeah but we haven’t got any money so presumably a potential future owner is covering it really.
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No, I think the council were playing nicey nicey on the outside, rubbing their hands together thar the club were keeping acl out of admin, whilst talking to NEC/Mike Ashley to do a deal (possibly knowing SISU wouldn't attempt to do anything until asmin!??)
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,744
Grendel said:
Its £20 million in Otium entertainment

Just saying
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How much is SISU debt and how much is legacy debt? Could Ashley buy Otium for £20m then SISU Put SBSL in admin and finish that company?

the golden share is in Otium
 

fatso

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,745
I fuckin hate coconut so I'm well chuffed.
I'm off to stock up and get diabetes!
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,746
The Philosopher said:
So anyway, what do we think SISU need to let go?

There must be a wiped face figure that doesn’t create a ripple in their set up.

Is £60m far off?
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What is in Otium I’d assume
 

Bad Boy

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,747
fatso said:
I fuckin hate coconut so I'm well chuffed.
I'm off to stock up and get diabetes!
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Thats a bit radical
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,748
shepardo01 said:
No, I think the council were playing nicey nicey on the outside, rubbing their hands together thar the club were keeping acl out of admin, whilst talking to NEC/Mike Ashley to do a deal (possibly knowing SISU wouldn't attempt to do anything until asmin!??)
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Again where is the diffinitive evidence that the club put the money in?
 

duffer

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,749
Hobo said:
No chance with Cov Rugby. They have their own plans and are part of the longterm regeneration of Spon End. No way will they want to play at the CBS. They have a long lease at the BPA and planning permission.

Besides the BPA has a great atmosphere even with just 2,000 to 3,000 in it.
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Would actually make a lot more sense for phoenix Wasps to share at the Butts.

At least it's handy for the train station for their genuine supporters and it's not too big!

And as a Cov rugby fan I'd be more than happy to politely welcome their new owners with a warm shake of the throat and a cheery "fuck off and find somewhere that wants you" if they tried suggesting it.
 
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fatso

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,750
bad boy said:
Thats a bit radical
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Go hard or go home!
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,751
Grendel said:
What is in Otium I’d assume
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Which could resemble what their partner was willing to venture if they were willing to bid prior to the admin?
 

The Philosopher

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,752
duffer said:
Would actually make a lot more sense for phoenix Wasps to share at the Butts.

At least it's handy for the train station for their genuine supporters and it's not too big!

And as a Cov rugby fan I'd be more than happy to politely welcome their new owners with a warm shake of the throat and a cheery "fuck off and find somewhere that wants you" if they tried suggesting it.
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What about that Green King or whatever stadium in Hinckley. Anyone significant using that?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,753
The Philosopher said:
What about that Green King or whatever stadium in Hinckley. Anyone significant using that?
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I think this guy has dibs on it

 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,754
Grendel said:
What is in Otium I’d assume
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I didn’t think it was that straightforward.

Thought pre-admin SISU had blown £30m of real money and parked £30m of GR debt somehow and had to convert to shares to get the Golden Share?

They didn’t write off their original £30m and swerved it around their funds and still need it to balance off. Since admin another £20m spent plus “interest” getting to £57m as a level get out.

It seemed a bit convoluted to the extent that it’s not straightforward to me.
 

Otis

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,755
gazza said:
I’ve read every post in this thread and I’ve not got a clue what’s happening
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Yay! Can we start a club?

I feel like I have two hospital consultants chipping in each ear.

"You're going to die"

"You'll be fine"

"You're going to die"

"No, you'll be fine"
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,756
The Philosopher said:
I didn’t think it was that straightforward.

Thought pre-admin SISU had blown £30m of real money and parked £30m of GR debt somehow and had to convert to shares to get the Golden Share?

They didn’t write off their original £30m and swerved it around their funds and still need it to balance off. Since admin another £20m spent plus “interest” getting to £57m as a level get out.

It seemed a bit convoluted to the extent that it’s not straightforward to me.
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Yes it’s that straightforward- for a start you don’t have to buy SB and L to buy Otium. The debt in that company is losses that are never going to be recovered

It also has never been anywhere near £57 million which has been explained
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,757
The Philosopher said:
I didn’t think it was that straightforward.

Thought pre-admin SISU had blown £30m of real money and parked £30m of GR debt somehow and had to convert to shares to get the Golden Share?

They didn’t write off their original £30m and swerved it around their funds and still need it to balance off. Since admin another £20m spent plus “interest” getting to £57m as a level get out.

It seemed a bit convoluted to the extent that it’s not straightforward to me.
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Again would the partner willing to take 50%stake in the arena transaction been pitching £30M at it?
 

shepardo01

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,758
wingy said:
Again where is the diffinitive evidence that the club put the money in?
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,759
Grendel said:
Yes it’s that straightforward- for a start you don’t have to buy SB and L to buy Otium. The debt in that company is losses that are never going to be recovered

It also has never been anywhere near £57 million which has been explained
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I have a feeling that Joy might have a different view on those losses never being recovered.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,760
The Philosopher said:
I have a feeling that Joy might have a different view on those losses never being recovered.
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They aren’t her losses so I doubt it
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,761
Grendel said:
Yes it’s that straightforward- for a start you don’t have to buy SB and L to buy Otium. The debt in that company is losses that are never going to be recovered

It also has never been anywhere near £57 million which has been explained
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Ignoring Paxman 3 for a minute what then is the break even figure to get SISU to leave?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,762
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Ignoring Paxman 3 for a minute what then is the break even figure to get SISU to leave?
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Ms Paxman?
 

The Philosopher

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,763
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Ignoring Paxman 3 for a minute what then is the break even figure to get SISU to leave?
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I think it’s £60m - and that is leaving any assets (player contract values, training ground, toilet rolls, golden share) in the business and handing over the keys as it were. I think SISU get out of jail and tidy their books and historic losses for that.

Grendel suggests much less.

OSB - I’m unsure. “Could be £18m could be north of £100m”. (I’m being slightly tongue in cheek. Just slightly).
 
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Johnnythespider

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,764
JAM See said:
You fucker Otis.

Just wasted a load of time plowing through the archive. Up to date now though. Thank fuck!
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Did you catch up on the deluxe one's?
 

Otis

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #9,765
Johnnythespider said:
Did you catch up on the deluxe one's?
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Can you? I didn't know you could do that?

Bang goes Christmas
 
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