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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (5 Viewers)

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Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #736
I think the key issue here is going to be CCC's lease of the Arena to the London rugby club and the lease reverting back to CCC in the case of shit hitting the fan.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #737
Philosorapter said:
I think the key issue here is going to be CCC's lease of the Arena to the London rugby club and the lease reverting back to CCC in the case of shit hitting the fan.
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The bondholders seem to think they take over the lease
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #738
If you were having an event would you hold the stock back for afterwards rather than lose the potential benefits prior?
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #739
Gynnsthetonic said:
The bondholders seem to think they take over the lease
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Not if they go into administration first
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #740
Delaware North in control of catering
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #741
Grendel said:
Not if they go into administration first
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Not if who goes into admin first?
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #742
Gynnsthetonic said:
Not if who goes into admin first?
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wasps holdings if they go into administration bond holders are in a very vulnerable position
 

MAFF

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #743
Sky Blue Pete said:
Simon and other local journalists need to be getting answers. What a shut show
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CCC need to be held accountable.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #744
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m no expert but pretty sure it isn’t plain sailing now and it will only get more difficult. Listened to the rugby show on radio 5 last night and they were saying Worcester were evil and devious and wasps have just got unlucky. Mmmm
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On that show it mentioned Worcester owed £30m and Wasp owed £112m
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #745
Gynnsthetonic said:
On that show it mentioned Worcester owed £30m and Wasp owed £112m
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Wasps don’t owe £112m that’s balance sheet liability
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #746
Grendel said:
wasps holdings if they go into administration bond holders are in a very vulnerable position
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Just going by AdVm forum they seem to think if Wasp go into admin they get the lease, can't see that myself
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #747
Grendel said:
Wasps don’t owe £112m that’s balance sheet liability
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Only saying what I heard
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #748
I take it the contract that CCC has with wasps to be the operating company et al. for the Arena has never made it to public realm.
 

Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #749
Gynnsthetonic said:
The bondholders seem to think they take over the lease
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They also think that the stadium is worth 35 million which it wont be. Someone on here said it needed around 10 million spending to get the maintenance side of it back to spec?
 

Mcbean

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #750
Philosorapter said:
I think the key issue here is going to be CCC's lease of the Arena to the London rugby club and the lease reverting back to CCC in the case of shit hitting the fan.
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And we know how popular Sisu are with them
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #751
Grendel said:
It’s potentially more difficult if it actually goes into administration as the administrator will run it and appoint a new buyer

it also depends on the robustness of our lease and the terms around it. Almost certainly if we advanced pitch repair payments they will be lost and unless there are clauses on maintenance then we have no more say on future repairs
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The anyone but Sisu clause in there will be the main hurdle.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #752
Cant be arsed with this thread. Has anything actually happened yet, or are we still at the notice to appoint stage?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #753
ACL 2006 is the head leaseholder and is not in administration.

ACL sublets from ACL 2006. It isn't clear if CCFC sub-lets from ACL or ACL 2006.

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SomersetSB

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #754
shmmeee said:
Cant be arsed with this thread. Has anything actually happened yet, or are we still at the notice to appoint stage?
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All I wanna see is the Cov telegraph go into meltdown if/when they go pop.
I may buy it then and frame it!!
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #755
shmmeee said:
Cant be arsed with this thread. Has anything actually happened yet, or are we still at the notice to appoint stage?
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If nothing has happened yet, then why the need for this?

It seems to be a very obscure thing to report on, unless there may be other connotations that go with it.

Nothing in your notes?

 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #756
eastwoodsdustman said:
The anyone but Sisu clause in there will be the main hurdle.
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I don’t think that will be an. Issue this time around. The council won’t make the same mistake twice
 
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #757
Grendel said:
I would assume 10 working days? They can apply for a 10 day extension as well
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"Business days " excludes weekends and bank holidays

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oldfiver

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #758
fernandopartridge said:
ACL 2006 is the head leaseholder and is not in administration.

ACL sublets from ACL 2006. It isn't clear if CCFC sub-lets from ACL or ACL 2006.

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None of the Companies are in Administration
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #759
oldfiver said:
None of the Companies are in Administration
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Yet
 
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #760
Skyblueweeman said:
Yet
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Unless the Bond Holders act quickly - WASPS and ACL could go into Admin and the IP could propose a CVA

So do not get too excited!
 
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steve cooper

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #761
oldfiver said:
"Business days " excludes weekends and bank holidays

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So it's 3.29 on Wednesday, and if I read that correctly they have to apply for a second 10-day extension prior to that date / time
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #762
Is the extension an automatic thing or do they have to give some evidence that something is happening and an extra 10 days is likely to make a difference?
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #763
chiefdave said:
Is the extension an automatic thing or do they have to give some evidence that something is happening and an extra 10 days is likely to make a difference?
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They have to apply on the basis a resolution is possible
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #764
Grendel said:
They have to apply on the basis a resolution is possible
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Is it a release a statement saying things will be sorted in a few days kind of deal or do they have to show actual evidence something is happening.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #765
chiefdave said:
Is it a release a statement saying things will be sorted in a few days kind of deal or do they have to show actual evidence something is happening.
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I think they have to submit some evidence there is a possibility of a resolution
 
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tisza

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #766
chiefdave said:
Is the extension an automatic thing or do they have to give some evidence that something is happening and an extra 10 days is likely to make a difference?
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Imagine they would have to show HMRC something realistic to get an extension.
 

edgy

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #767
They'll get an extension. We all know how this plays out, deep down.
 

Esoterica

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #768
tisza said:
Imagine they would have to show HMRC something realistic to get an extension.
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Probably on the phone to Dale Evans, as we speak, getting lessons in how to photoshop their online bank balance.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #769
It’sabatch87 said:
All I wanna see is the Cov telegraph go into meltdown if/when they go pop.
I may buy it then and frame it!!
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Philosorapter said:
If nothing has happened yet, then why the need for this?

It seems to be a very obscure thing to report on, unless there may be other connotations that go with it.

Nothing in your notes?

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Nothing yet then. Check back in a bit.
 

ceetee

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #770
I thought I would comment to say that I'm not going to comment until there's anything to comment about
 
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