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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (12 Viewers)

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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,246
Great_Expectations said:
In the proposed scenario, who is actually responsible for funding the club?

Great news club and CBS will be linked, but definitely going to be interesting to see how roles and responsibilities are finalised.

Surely it’s good for the club, but I’m hoping it means more than just the club is the club and it’s expected to fund itself without investment from above?
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If the American investor is true - he’s effectively the new owner. The SISU share is effectively holding onto the hope we get promoted
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,247
Evo1883 said:
Saddle the American investor , would they be our new owner or sisu still ? Can't work out what uou meant
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If it was 51% they would have the controlling amount. If that happens.

So co owners with sisu
 

Great_Expectations

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,248
fernandopartridge said:
We'll incorporate Swindon
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We didn’t want you here, but you’re here now. So well done. Welcome.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,249
Grendel said:
We'd still be at Highfield Road if Richardson had not been forced out
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How do you think it have gone for us and be working now if we had never left?
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Oct 31, 2022
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,251
Nick said:
If it was 51% they would have the controlling amount. If that happens.

So co owners with sisu
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So sisu wouldn't be our main owners anymore ? With 49% the Americans would be the main player
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,252
fernandopartridge said:
We'll incorporate Swindon
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They're one of the other teams I work with. Works for me
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,253
It’s gonna be Chris Kirchner isn’t it
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,254
IMissMAF said:

:/
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Must be an extension then.
 

Calista

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,255
wingy said:
We really should have kept the sticky threads of Godiva and OSB re the history of all this .
Anyway to pull them from the server?
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Please No
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,256
Wouldn't an extension be filed?
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,257
I’m hearing a Sports Direct lorry with a load of clearance items has turned up at the CBS,
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,258
Nick said:
Do I listen to cwr on my way home?
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Nah, just Trish Adudu on at the mo, it might get better after 6
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,259
Evo1883 said:
So sisu wouldn't be our main owners anymore ? With 49% the Americans would be the main player
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Maybe a new man/woman steering the ship, Joy and co. Keep a place on the board?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,260
Saddlebrains said:
Fuck it, saying it, kept it quiet for days if I'm wrong I'm wrong and he gets a whack

American investors, introduced by/ somehow linked into SISU have been over here for a week or so

New investor buys the CBS, gets 51% of the football club and then the SISU are saving money on rent etc. We make match day revenue and get a cut of the exhibitions/concerts/events etc.

The new investor either buys SISU out, a new owner comes in and buys everyone out or SISU sit pretty with their 49% and reap the rewards of the stadium ownership without ever having to buy it
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All depends on whether Ryan Renolds can sell Wrexham though apparently there's strong interest from Katie Perry
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,261
Nick said:
Wouldn't an extension be filed?
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You would think so. the stuff on caseboard shows realy quick. The admin stuff takes days/week to go on the Gazette so would have thought something might have shown
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,262
Evo1883 said:
Saddle the American investor , would they be our new owner or sisu still ? Can't work out what uou meant
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Dont worry i was also sceptical when told but again, everything hes accidentally told Gilbert has been correct so far so we will see i suppose

Can only assume they would be a kind of silent partner smaller minority who would want their investment back on prem promotion or something
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,263
AFCCOVENTRY said:
I’m hearing a Sports Direct lorry with a load of clearance items has turned up at the CBS,
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Can’t wait for the sports direct outlet in the exhibition hall
 

duffer

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,264
The Philosopher said:
I read it like you did, which is why I thought somehow whoever gets the stadium might want both Wasps and CCFC because P share etc.

Bottom line: haven’t the foggiest
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As I understand it then...

Wasps going into administration means that they have to start in the Championship next season, subject to RFU approval (fit & proper owners, 5 year business plan, proof of sustainability etc.).

It also means the P shares are sold back to the Premier League at a price determined by an agreed formula (about £9m).

The bondholders have a first charge on that anything realised by the sale of the shares, it was part of the security for the bond issue, so that money goes to them.

I can't see any way that Wasps get out of this, it's basically where Worcester are right now.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,265
The biggest downside to Ashley is he'd probably sack Robins and appoint Steve Bruce
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,266
Nick said:
Wouldn't an extension be filed?
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Probably the announcement tomorrow.

I guess if the NOI expires then main creditors can technically pounce.

In this case, if there is viable proposal that can be presented to the Trustees of the bonds, Compass etc. that shows serious progress and a potential solvent sale then why would they pull the plug?

That’s my take.
 

Skyblue_CP

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,267
Nothings been filed about an extension and an update tomorrow, tells me that there has been an offer accepted and it’s going to be finalised overnight.
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,268


Reckon they’ll actually do it if SISU end up buying it
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,269
The Philosopher said:
Probably the announcement tomorrow.

I guess if the NOI expires then main creditors can technically pounce.

In this case, if there is viable proposal that can be presented to the Trustees of the bonds, Compass etc. that shows serious progress and a potential solvent sale then why would they pull the plug?

That’s my take.
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It has expired hadn't it?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,270
duffer said:
As I understand it then...

Wasps going into administration means that they have to start in the Championship next season, subject to RFU approval (fit & proper owners, 5 year business plan, proof of sustainability etc.).

It also means the P shares are sold back to the Premier League at a price determined by an agreed formula (about £9m).

The bondholders have a first charge on that anything realised by the sale of the shares, it was part of the security for the bond issue, so that money goes to them.

I can't see any way that Wasps get out of this, it's basically where Worcester are right now.
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Reading the Wasps bond chat there may be doubt on the p shares
Something around the club being sold on, might explain the timing on that?
 

Calista

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,271
wingy said:
We really should have kept the sticky threads of Godiva and OSB re the history of all this .
Anyway to pull them from the server?
Too much confusion at just what happened at the start
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The details are beyond me, but it was a huge development made more complex and expensive by the land contamination. Whatever happened, I just don’t think it’s plausible or legally feasible that the Council stole millions of pounds belonging to CCFC.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,272
Anybody told the lurking wasps fans that they are nonces still ?

Nonces
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,273
wingy said:
Reading the Wasps bond chat there may be doubt on the p shares
Something around the club being sold on, might explain the timing on that?
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What have they said? They seemed to think they had security over that?
 

The Philosopher

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,274
duffer said:
As I understand it then...

Wasps going into administration means that they have to start in the Championship next season, subject to RFU approval (fit & proper owners, 5 year business plan, proof of sustainability etc.).

It also means the P shares are sold back to the Premier League at a price determined by an agreed formula (about £9m).

The bondholders have a first charge on that anything realised by the sale of the shares, it was part of the security for the bond issue, so that money goes to them.

I can't see any way that Wasps get out of this, it's basically where Worcester are right now.
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That makes sense, but it’s security. If the stadium lease sale exceeds the bond and other creditors (ie the P share money isn’t needed to cover the guarantee), the Wasp P share goes to the Wasps in Admin (and gets swallowed up by HMRC etc)

I just thought that they’d try to rope it in to ACL by shortselling stadium.

Bottom line: still no clue on that bit.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,275
PVA said:
The biggest downside to Ashley is he'd probably sack Robins and appoint Steve Bruce
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Was going to say it would be handy and just wait and see how Robins and backroom get to play with hopefully a bit more resource?
 

JAM See

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,276
alexccfc99 said:
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Reckon they’ll actually do it if SISU end up buying it
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,277
Nick said:
Gilbert just suggested that bidders may join forces.
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You'd think any bidder for the football club would want a professional in to run the exhibition side of it. Linking up with the NEC would make sense. Would you'd assume also be of interest to them as they get to run the part they want without having to pay for the stadium as well.
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,278
Calista said:
The details are beyond me, but it was a huge development made more complex and expensive by the land contamination. Whatever happened, I just don’t think it’s plausible or legally feasible that the Council stole millions of pounds belonging to CCFC.
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ever entertained the idea you may be wrong tho???
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,279
How are ACL not in admin?? They have to file something, get taken over or go into admin.

Can’t just be like “soz mate busy, will go bust tomorrow”
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Oct 31, 2022
  • #7,280
chiefdave said:
You'd think any bidder for the football club would want a professional in to run the exhibition side of it. Linking up with the NEC would make sense. Would you'd assume also be of interest to them as they get to run the part they want without having to pay for the stadium as well.
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Yes and no. Always the risk of them having conflicts about which act where, which conference where, at the moment they are kind of rivals. Could get messy.
 
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