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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (7 Viewers)

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Great_Expectations

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,406
Re the HMRC thing, seems like it should be a bigger issue than just being hidden in a paragraph within an article about us playing at Walsall?

So either it’s wrong, it’s not an issue or another shitstorm has just been unleashed.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,407
shepardo01 said:
I honestly think the council are playing nice to Big Dave... but I'm fairly certain that behind that, they are being the "not until he'll freezes over" version of CCC.
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Whatever discussion is going on it will be over Dave's head.
To employ a current political term,the big boys are talking
 
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hill83

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,408
Calista said:
The cork-popping, gloating and premature ejaculations on here when Wasps went into admin were embarrassing. I must confess I haven’t got a clue what most of the stuff written since then even means, but I fear we still have years of legals to come.
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It was a laugh though to be fair. Beautiful time.
I did also say anyone thinking we end up with the ground needs their head testing.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,409
Great_Expectations said:
Re the HMRC thing, seems like it should be a bigger issue than just being hidden in a paragraph within an article about us playing at Walsall?

So either it’s wrong, it’s not an issue or another shitstorm has just been unleashed.
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Well where have they got that well concealed snippet from.
However it does demonstrate the ongoing difficulty of having a disrupted start to the season and frankly owner's who just do not possess the largesse to get us through problematic time's.
 
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Balli001

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,410
wingy said:
Well where have they got that well concealed snippet from.
However it does demonstrate the ongoing difficulty of having a disrupted start to the season and frankly owner's who just do not possess the largesse to get us through problematic time's.
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It's on the efl website
 

tisza

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,411
Nick said:
Where are the new wasps owners getting 35m from? They have no games for the rest of the season also and next season "relegated".

If ccc are involved they need to be outed.
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do they even need 35m if debts are to be wiped?
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,412
CCFC54321 said:
If this was allowed to happen then this is on the verge of criminal activity and the police would be watching bloody closely.

If those bastards retained the stadium by hook or crook what message does that send to the rest of sport and businesses in general just con your way to being given money and not pay it back and worm around ‘the system’ to be rewarded still?

The administrator will be watched very closely by everyone concerned and if there is a hint of wasps favouritism then he/she’s reputation should be in shatters.
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That’s just what SISU/Otium did with the assistance of Appleton, so a precedent has been set, I’m sure Richardson is at least as devious as Seppala, setting up new firms recently.
The whole fucking lot stinks, and CCC will go along with any stitch-up of CCFC, using the ‘ nothing to do with us’ bullshit like they usually do.
 
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Hobo

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,413
We are all in the dark and the parameters and potential parties involved make it potentially a very complex situation.

No point jumping to false conclusions or worrying about made up scenarios. We just have to let it all unravel.

If we have to play our games elsewhere in the intrim I will do my best to get there. It is not the clubs fault this situation has arisen.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,414
Great_Expectations said:
Re the HMRC thing, seems like it should be a bigger issue than just being hidden in a paragraph within an article about us playing at Walsall?

So either it’s wrong, it’s not an issue or another shitstorm has just been unleashed.
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Christ

Embargoes

The Official home of the English Football League
www.efl.com
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,415
Grendel said:
Christ

Embargoes

The Official home of the English Football League
www.efl.com
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Yep it's true.

What's regulation 17? Reporting seems more sinister than payment issues.

It doesn't say when added though that I can see

Best ring Appleton, I'm sure this will now prompt a club statement.
 
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steve cooper

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,416
Great_Expectations said:
Re the HMRC thing, seems like it should be a bigger issue than just being hidden in a paragraph within an article about us playing at Walsall?

So either it’s wrong, it’s not an issue or another shitstorm has just been unleashed.
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My thoughts exactly. The newspapers have been continually full of incorrect information throughout this saga, and in a lot of cases, just guesswork.
edit, just read post 6428
 

alexccfc99

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,417
If ACL are placed in administration tomorrow as opposed to being liquidated is Tuesday good to go?

There’s so much going on here I’m confused
 

Gynnsthetonic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,418
Nick said:
Yep it's true.

What's regulation 17? Reporting seems more sinister than payment issues.

It doesn't say when added though that I can see

Best ring Appleton
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CCFC going into admin as well?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,419
Nick said:
Yep it's true.

What's regulation 17? Reporting seems more sinister than payment issues.

It doesn't say when added though that I can see

Best ring Appleton, I'm sure this will now prompt a club statement.
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We’ve been under several embargo’s haven’t we?
 

MalcSB

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,420
Grendel said:
would this be 5 embargo’s under Sisu - I’ve lost count
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I don’t suppose the cash flow issues created by postponements due to the pitch, plus the reported additional costs of putting on the last couple of games at the arena, will have helped on this occasion.
 
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Bertola

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,421
Something similar happened last season, when the Covid breaks meant account could be filed a little later. We then submitted the accounts and all was lifted before the windo opened. Fingers crossed this is something similar
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,422
When did reading have theirs start? They will still signing players at the end of sept.
 

Tommo1993

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,423
Once more through the mill where it’s us fans who get fucked over?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,424
Bertola said:
Something similar happened last season, when the Covid breaks meant account could be filed a little later. We then submitted the accounts and all was lifted before the windo opened. Fingers crossed this is something similar
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NEWS: Coventry City confirm EFL transfer embargo due to administrative reasons

Coventry City can confirm that it has been placed under a transfer embargo by the EFL.
www.ccfc.co.uk

Yeah you are right
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,425
Section 17 basically means we are late paying HMRC I assume PAYE - didn’t someone on here say we were late paying players recently?
 

shepardo01

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,426
alexccfc99 said:
If ACL are placed in administration tomorrow as opposed to being liquidated is Tuesday good to go?

There’s so much going on here I’m confused
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No. Still too late to get everything sorted for Tuesday.
 

Sky Blue Heaven

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,427
An extract from the EFL website re Regulation 17:


17.1 Current HMRC Debt. Any Club which has not within 28 (twenty-eight) days of the relevant Due Date paid to HMRC the amounts due to be paid to HMRC to discharge:

17.1.1 the Club’s full liability for PAYE & NIC due in respect of any and all employees or former employees of the Club for the immediately preceding payment period; and/or

17.1.2 the Club’s full liability for PAYE & NIC which becomes due as a result of an assessment issued by HMRC, subject to clause 17.8 below,

(each a ‘Default Event’) shall report the Default Event to The League within 2 working days of the Default Event.

17.2 Reporting Default Events. When a Club reports a Default Event to The League it shall at the same time provide to The League details of any and all amounts due to HMRC from the Club in respect of PAYE & NIC, together with the periods to which they relate.

17 .3 Consequences of a Default Event. Without prejudice to the general position (pursuant to Regulation 44 .4) that all registrations must be approved by The League and subject to Regulation 17.3A, a Club which is subject to a Default Event shall be subject to a registration embargo such that it shall not be permitted to register any Player with that Club without the prior written consent of The League for the period that the Club is subject to a Default Event.
 
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SkyBlueSam01

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,428
Surely actual sour, violent protests on the horizon if it turns out Richardson et al. have used the local community and bondholders to the tune of tens of millions + what could easily be the final nail for CCFC, and then end up with the stadium anyway?

That will be CCFC, CCC, local businesses, bondholders and original Wasps fans all fucked over for a duplicitous scheme that has probably been in the making for over a decade
 

alexccfc99

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,429
shepardo01 said:
No. Still too late to get everything sorted for Tuesday.
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So why don’t they just go ahead and confirm it as Walsall then so everyone can start planning for that

Why leave everything till the last minute
 
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MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,430
Nick said:
Yep it's true.

What's regulation 17? Reporting seems more sinister than payment issues.

It doesn't say when added though that I can see

Best ring Appleton, I'm sure this will now prompt a club statement.
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17 HMRC Reporting
17.1 Current HMRC Debt. Any Club which has not within 28 (twenty-eight) days of the relevant Due Date paid to HMRC the amounts due to be paid to HMRC to discharge:
17.1.1 the Club’s full liability for PAYE & NIC due in respect of any and all employees or former employees of the Club for the immediately preceding payment period; and/or
17.1.2 the Club's full liability for PAYE & NIC which becomes due as a result of an assessment issued by HMRC, subject to clause 17.8 below,
(each a ‘Default Event’) shall report the Default Event to The League within 2 working days of the Default Event.
17.2 Reporting Default Events. When a Club reports a Default Event to The League it shall at the same time provide to The League details of any and all amounts due to HMRC from the Club in respect of PAYE & NIC, together with the periods to which they relate.
17.3 Consequences of a Default Event. Without prejudice to the general position (pursuant to Regulation 43.4) that all registrations must be approved by The League and subject to Regulation 17.3A, a Club which is subject to a Default Event shall be subject to a registration
embargo such that it shall not be permitted to register any Player with that Club without the prior written consent of The League for the period that the Club is subject to a Default Event.
17.3A Regulation 17.3 will not apply where a Club suffers a Default Event due to the failure to discharge a COVID PAYE Liability and has entered into a Time to Pay Agreement and is compliant with the terms of that Time To Pay Agreement. For the avoidance of doubt, where a
Club defaults on the terms of a Time to Pay Agreement, and such default results in all outstanding amounts becoming due to HMRC immediately, the Club shall remain subject to a Default Event until such time as the outstanding amounts are paid or included within any other Time to Pay Agreement.
17.4 Failure to Notify a Default Event. A Club which fails to report a Default Event shall be guilty of misconduct and shall be referred to a Disciplinary Commission in accordance with Section 7 of these Regulations.
17.5 Provision of Authority. Each Club shall provide to The League, not later than 31 May prior to the commencement of a Season, (and in any event within seven days of any request for a further authority from The League), an original, irrevocable authority (which shall not be time
constrained) in the form prescribed by The League and signed by a director and the company secretary of the Club, addressed to HMRC authorising HMRC to provide to The League information relating to amounts of PAYE & NIC payable, paid and overdue from the Club to
HMRC from time to time including, by way of example and without limitation, the amount of Arrears (if any), the existence of and current position in respect of any Time to Pay Agreement and if a Club suffers a Default Event (‘Authority’). The League shall be entitled to forward the
Authority to HMRC without having to seek the consent of the Club.
17.6 The Board shall have the power to suspend any Club which, not later than 31 May prior to the Commencement of the following Season (including, for the avoidance of doubt, those Clubs entering The League by way of promotion from the National League or relegation from the
Premier League for the following Season) or within seven days of a request, fails to provide to The League the Authority in the required form. A suspended Club shall not play in:
17.6.1 any League Match;
17.6.2 any Football Association Cup Match;
17.6.3 any EFL Cup Match;
17.6.4 any EFL Trophy Match; and/or
17.6.5 any other match conducted or controlled by The League and in which it would otherwise be eligible to compete.
17.7 For the purposes of the League Competition, the Board shall have the power to determine how the cancellation of a League Match caused by the suspension of one of the Clubs, which should have participated in it, shall be treated.
17.8 Disputed Amounts. Any amounts which HMRC claims to be due to it, for example by way of an assessment, but which have been formally contested by the Club shall not be considered as due to HMRC for the purposes of this Regulation 17 until such time as a final determination
is made on HMRC’s claim.
17.9 Information provided by a Club and/or HMRC in relation to any Arrears shall only be made available to senior members of The League’s staff and the independent Chairman (as described in Article 17.1.1) and shall not be disclosed to the Board generally, provided always that The League shall be entitled to report the happening of a Default Event to the Board for the purposes of enforcing Regulation 17.3 (Consequences of a Default Event).
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hill83

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,431
SkyBlueSam01 said:
Surely actual sour, violent protests on the horizon if it turns out Richardson et al. have used the local community and bondholders to the tune of tens of millions + what could easily be the final nail for CCFC, and then end up with the stadium anyway?

That will be CCFC, CCC, local businesses, bondholders and original Wasps fans all fucked over for a duplicitous scheme that has probably been in the making for over a decade
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By who? Nobody gives enough of a shit. And suggesting violence is ridiculous.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,432
Everyone into admin and newco owns stadium and club?

Free hookers and blackjack for all?
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,433
Given, as Nick pointed out, that the non reporting seems more serious than non payment it makes you wonder why it wasn't.
Another Boddy fuck up?
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,434
hill83 said:
By who? Nobody gives enough of a shit. And suggesting violence is ridiculous.
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The sad irony is they pulling a fast one is probably our easiest solution if keep playing in Coventry
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,435
We weren't on that page on October 14th so it's recent.

Google Cache for 28th Oct has us on there.

EFL Official Website - Embargo Reporting Service

web.archive.org
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,436
This thread is a fucking emotional roller-coaster.
 
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Great_Expectations

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,437
Grendel said:
Christ

Embargoes

The Official home of the English Football League
www.efl.com
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So option b then, it’s not an issue as it’s obviously known.

Link was helpful. Christ comment unknown.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,438
Grendel said:
The sad irony is they pulling a fast one is probably our easiest solution if keep playing in Coventry
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I dunno I could see something like just stop oil happening.
Balaclavas on!!
Serious security fee's for whoever gets it.

Edit
Oops that was in response to hills post.
 

duffer

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,439
Calista said:
The cork-popping, gloating and premature ejaculations on here when Wasps went into admin were embarrassing. I must confess I haven’t got a clue what most of the stuff written since then even means, but I fear we still have years of legals to come.
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Not embarrassing mate, moving here was wrong from the very beginning and they deserved to fail for both that and their staggering hubris, imho.

I'm not celebrating a load of people losing their jobs, but if Wasps end up back in London as a championship club it'll feel like the right outcome to me.

The ACL stuff, well no one really knows how that will pan out yet, but all of this has offered us our best chance of getting our hands on the stadium in some form.

Anyone who really cared about the club and had some finance behind them could take proper advantage of this now. I'm not confident how our owners stack up on either count, but I guess we'll soon see.
 
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hill83

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  • Oct 30, 2022
  • #6,440
I’m hearing we were in talks with Haaland before this embargo happened, he was at the match yesterday. That’s why he didn’t play for Man City.
 
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