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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (3 Viewers)

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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,236
Sky Blue Pete said:
Needs a buyer though
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We’re a championship football team. There’s always buyers idiots see the carrot of the premier league and it becomes a vanity project
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,237
TomRad85 said:
If SISU do absolutely nothing it will make no sense whatsoever, this is what they've been waiting for. Also refuse to believe any sane thinking owner would want the insects back in the CBS. Believe lads, whatever happens it will be better.

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Their actions up to now haven't made a lot of sense.
 
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ajsccfc

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,238
Saddlebrains said:
Hypothetical question

Say we get shafted and stay as tenants with sisu in control

Could you carry on? Because tbh i would find it very very difficult dragging myself up there knowing we were going to be constantly skint, never a cat in hells chance of making the prem and knowing we will never ever get rid of them bastards who control us
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Carry on. I've got a season ticket with us as tenants and sisu in charge so I can't see why nothing happening would send me over the edge.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
We’re a championship football team. There’s always buyers idiots see the carrot of the premier league and it becomes a vanity project
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Not much evidence for that
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Sky Blue Pete said:
Not much evidence for that
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In Ashley we trust!
 

TomRad85

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,241
clint van damme said:
Their actions up to now haven't made a lot of sense.
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No, true.. but if they cash in for a decent amount now then maybe some of those bizarre decisions start to make a little more sense.

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Nick

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,242
Saddlebrains said:
Hypothetical question

Say we get shafted and stay as tenants with sisu in control

Could you carry on? Because tbh i would find it very very difficult dragging myself up there knowing we were going to be constantly skint, never a cat in hells chance of making the prem and knowing we will never ever get rid of them bastards who control us
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Do people only go if they think we will get to the prem one day?
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,243
hill83 said:
Can't believe we've had Sisu for 14 years. Feels like 50 and 2 at the same time.
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There will be people who go now who have never known the club have any other owners.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,244
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not much evidence for that
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- Ashley just tried to buy Derby, who were then bought
- Sunderland were taken over by a billionaire last season
- Birmingham just been bought out despite financial issues and a falling down stadium, had 3 parties bidding
- Sheff Utd recently bought by us owners
- Hull bought by Turkish owners recently

id suggest that’s plenty of evidence
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,245
Nick said:
Do people only go if they think we will get to the prem one day?
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I'm trying to find the words to explain it better

We will never compete for top 6 in this league with SISU. We will probably become a yoyo L1 Championship side like Rotherham and Peterborough

Is that something you can sensibly say to yourself 'Yea that's worth it', in a time where our money doesn't go far and other things become so expensive.

same as others on here, this is the chance to finally unite the stadium with the club either under SISU or new owners for both.

IF we remain in the same position as we are now, after what SISU have waited out for for years has finally happened, what is the point?
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Saddlebrains said:
I'm trying to find the words to explain it better

We will never compete for top 6 in this league with SISU. We will probably become a yoyo L1 Championship side like Rotherham and Peterborough

Is that something you can sensibly say to yourself 'Yea that's worth it', in a time where our money doesn't go far and other things become so expensive.

same as others on here, this is the chance to finally unite the stadium with the club either under SISU or new owners for both.

IF we remain in the same position as we are now, after what SISU have waited out for for years has finally happened, what is the point?
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If I wanted to support a team for guaranteed success I'd just switch between Man City or whoever is winning that year.

What about if we were a yoyo championship / Prem club like Fulham or Norwich with no chance of ever getting into Europe? Would people stop going then?
 
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Macca1987

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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  • WASPS RUGBY FOOTBALL CLUB LTD
    14426733 - Incorporated on 18 October 2022
    56 Friar Gate, Derby, England, DE1 1DF
Interesting new Rugby company only formed yesterday
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,248
Nick said:
If I wanted to support a team for guaranteed success I'd just switch between Man City or whoever is winning that year.

What about if we were a yoyo championship / Prem club like Fulham or Norwich with no chance of ever getting into Europe? Would people stop going then?
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I get what he’s saying, he’s not asking for success. It’s the fact SISU Put a ceiling on us we know is there.

if they go we can aspire to better no matter how impossible
 
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Houdi

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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clint van damme said:
About the only aspect of that that has even a remote chance of happening is rebranding the netball team.
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We could even save some money by keeping the same kit for them and just rename them as the Coventry Bees Netball team, at least they have links to a Coventry team, and it would sting wasps even more.
 

Nick

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Macca1987 said:
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  • WASPS RUGBY FOOTBALL CLUB LTD
    14426733 - Incorporated on 18 October 2022
    56 Friar Gate, Derby, England, DE1 1DF
Interesting new Rugby company only formed yesterday
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This guy is the director - James Timothy Dysterre-Clark - The Law Society
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I get what he’s saying, he’s not asking for success. It’s the fact SISU Put a ceiling on us we know is there.

if they go we can aspire to better no matter how impossible
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That's what I mean, Norwich and Fulham also have the ceiling of being a yoyo Prem team. Would it be the same then?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,252
MalcSB said:
Further to my earlier response, just checked agenda and papers for the October meeting. The Richardson loan application for £12.5m loan for a hotel is no longer on the relevant dashboard. So - application withdrawn or fell by the wayside.
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Thats only the financing application
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,253
Nick said:
That's what I mean, Norwich and Fulham also have the ceiling of being a yoyo Prem team. Would it be the same then?
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They don’t have a ceiling - they can aspire to be the next Leicester. With SISU the issue is that they’ve told us for years “our model won’t work in the championship”

we know Norwich and Fulham won’t likely be the next Leicester but at least there’s always that hope.

I don't necessarily go along with it, but i understand his point
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,254
Nick said:
This guy is the director - James Timothy Dysterre-Clark - The Law Society
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Interesting.

Potential buyer?
 

Nick

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  • Oct 19, 2022
  • #4,255
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
They don’t have a ceiling - they can aspire to be the next Leicester. With SISU the issue is that they’ve told us for years “our model won’t work in the championship”

we know Norwich and Fulham won’t likely be the next Leicester but at least there’s always that hope.

I don't necessarily go along with it, but i understand his point
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They do have the ceiling though?

It's no different to Rotherham just the league above.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Nick said:
They do have the ceiling though?

It's no different to Rotherham just the league above.
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You’re missing the point, 99% of seasons they will yo-yo, there’s that 1% chance they can do a Leicester. Their fans hang on to that hope.

with SISU our Owners have literally shut us down and told us - “that’s your lot and be happy with it, we cant afford to be here anyway”

theres No hope of progression, whereas Fulham and Norwich fans have that hope that one season they might win something serious
 
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Skyblue_CP

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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I think the point is SISU’s end game, people want ambition, nobody is expecting Europe or PL titles but a little bit of investment, stability and ambition. SISU have actively said the Championship isn’t affordable to us/them so behind the scenes there’s more of an apatite to be relegated more than anything. This isn’t a L1 club. So what are they waiting for? Some sort of weird fluke premier league promotion? Dribble us a long for a bigger tax purpose?
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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@HuckerbyDublinWhelan explaining it better than me, but hes right that's the point I'm trying to make
 

Nick

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
You’re missing the point, 99% of seasons they will yo-yo, there’s that 1% chance they can do a Leicester. Their fans hang on to that hope.

with SISU our Owners have literally shut us down and told us - “that’s your lot and be happy with it, we cant afford to be here anyway”

theres No hope of progression, whereas Fulham and Norwich fans have that hope that one season they might win something serious
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That's the thing, have they said that or is that fans saying it?

There has been spells when we looked like we could get in the Championship Playoffs. I don't think it's going to happen but not ruling it out.

I am sure the Norwich and Fulham fans say the same thing about being yo-yo clubs and wanting more.
 
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Skyblue_CP

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Nick said:
That's the thing, have they said that or is that fans saying it?

There has been spells when we looked like we could get in the Championship Playoffs. I don't think it's going to happen but not ruling it out.
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But this isn’t through the support of a ambitious owners.. Thats through absolute fluke from MR, AV and recruitment. You always have the feeling we’re only a couple of seasons away from potentially being back with the squad that won the FL trophy.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Nick said:
That's the thing, have they said that or is that fans saying it?

There has been spells when we looked like we could get in the Championship Playoffs. I don't think it's going to happen but not ruling it out.
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Fisher openly said it a few years back. Our model doesn't work in the championship

Also since promotion I'm pretty sure they've shown that's the case

Sheaf - 750K
Gyok- £1M
Hamer- £1.2m
Walker - £1M

£4 Million spent in 3 seasons of Championship football

In that time selling

Hyam -£1.5m
Shipley -Nominal probably around £100k

Spending £2.4 Million in 3 seasons of championship football, when we've all backed the club with ST's record merchandise etc shows that this is financially it. Nothing else
 

MalcSB

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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oldfiver said:
Thats only the financing application
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Planning permission can remain intact of a period of years, domestically I think you have to start something within 3 years. Will building start with no finance - I suspect not. There was also the press coverage about Wasps not having paid the lease money for the site, as it wasn’t going to proceed. It was a bit bizarre that wasps were going to pay for the lease but Richardson doing the building, unless taken as more evidence that the move to Coventry was less about the rugby and more about enrichment of individuals through property development.

so - another failed project
 

MAFF

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Nick

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Skyblue_CP said:
But this isn’t through the support of a ambitious owners.. Thats through absolute fluke from MR, AV and recruitment. You always have the feeling we’re only a couple of seasons away from potentially being back with the squad that won the FL trophy.
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So why aren't Fulham and Norwich owners ambitious and ploughing big money in to get them to the higher ceiling?
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Nick said:
That's the thing, have they said that or is that fans saying it?

There has been spells when we looked like we could get in the Championship Playoffs. I don't think it's going to happen but not ruling it out.

I am sure the Norwich and Fulham fans say the same thing about being yo-yo clubs and wanting more.
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Fisher said it at one of those meetings. Part of me thinks that league one promotion wasn’t part of the plan. Costs have gone up massively
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Saddlebrains said:
Fisher openly said it a few years back. Our model doesn't work in the championship

Also since promotion I'm pretty sure they've shown that's the case

Sheaf - 750K
Gyok- £1M
Hamer- £1.2m
Walker - £1M

£4 Million spent in 3 seasons of Championship football

In that time selling

Hyam -£1.5m
Shipley -Nominal probably around £100k

Spending £2.4 Million in 3 seasons of championship football, when we've all backed the club with ST's record merchandise etc shows that this is financially it. Nothing else
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There will also have been a little something from Wilson’s sale to Newcastle
 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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SHUNT31 said:
Interesting.

Potential buyer?
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No - front man at best. Or just registering a company name like used to happen with domain addresses with a view to a potential sell on of a shell company at some point.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Nick said:
So why aren't Fulham and Norwich owners ambitious and ploughing big money in to get them to the higher ceiling?
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Fulham spent over 100m 3 years back, it’s not the fact they’re not breaking through, there’s the perception they’re trying to though
 

jordan210

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  • Oct 19, 2022
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Nick said:
This guy is the director - James Timothy Dysterre-Clark - The Law Society
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Registred adress is a solistors in Derby. Where Tim is a Partner.

Wonder if he has seen a cheeky gap to register a company then sell it on.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
They don’t have a ceiling - they can aspire to be the next Leicester. With SISU the issue is that they’ve told us for years “our model won’t work in the championship”

we know Norwich and Fulham won’t likely be the next Leicester but at least there’s always that hope.

I don't necessarily go along with it, but i understand his point
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And we can aspire to win promotion as Blackpool did.
 
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