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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (6 Viewers)

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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #316
Why would Richardson want to keep hold of the arena, thought he might just want to wash his hands with it and move on to something else.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #317
zuni said:
adds fuel to the fire on the rumour around someone buying both clubs is waiting in the wings to sweep up the ground and both teams.
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Nobody is going to do that. Why would you?

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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #318
fernandopartridge said:
Nobody is going to do that. Why would you?

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Wasps have no potential in the current system, you'd be better off buying CRFC
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #319
The idea that someone is waiting in the wings to buy us when the stadium becomes available seems a lot more like hope than expectation.
 
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Frostie

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #320
Grendel said:
It sounds o me a lot of so called terms were based on handshakes and trust
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Which given the protagonists & their previous history/relationship seems absolutely crazy.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #321
What about all of the starving Children via the Higgs Charity?
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #322
Does anyone think this could be something to do with the Alexander Stadium in Birmingham? I remember seeing a rumour Wasps were interested. Could admin and restarting again at a smaller venue be viable?


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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #323
Just a question oldskyblues (my hero) can Wasps set their own administrator like Sisu did or does the bond holders being invovled (outside creditors) alter that?
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #324
shmmeee said:
The idea that someone is waiting in the wings to buy us when the stadium becomes available seems a lot more like hope than expectation.
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I tend to look at the idea that if Wasps are allegedly talking to other parties for investment, they’ll be looking to sell. If that’s the case I think they’re eyeing us up to.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #325
SHUNT31 said:
Does anyone think this could be something to do with the Alexander Stadium in Birmingham? I remember seeing a rumour Wasps were interested. Could admin and restarting again at a smaller venue be viable?


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Or merge with Worcester
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #326
fernandopartridge said:
Nobody is going to do that. Why would you?

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Now, there's certainly a logic in economies of scale, getting the stadium used more than one day a week for one team. The problem in that respect has been that Wasps have been set up as primary user, whereas it needs to be flipped really. Isn't easy, and of course the teams have had difficulties, but Swansea, Hull, Huddersfield etc manage to run a Rugby team in the ground alongside the football team.

Another problem of course is Wasps are interlopers, and do you want to attach them to CCFC? A potential owner with balls / lack of empathy might well override that though, do some serious re-branding with Wasps to make them a Sky Blue Rugby team. Running Wasps as the extra could be a (relatively!) cheap way of getting more footfall / awareness for the arena and also indirectly for the football club. If they were secondary to the concerns of the football club you could reign in their sit or bust approach too, while also offering ticket bundles and offers across clubs to try and cross-pollinate.

Now... personally I don't want us near Wasps, I'd rather they withered and died. The above is also not without risk of course but... what isn't. It is however what a potential owner might consider, as ultimately the Wasps team part is a small add-on in comparison to the rest. If you then brought Cov Utd ladies back under the CCFC banner, you can start to do what Wasps made aspirations of doing, but maybe properly. As it's us of course, it'd all drag the football team down to oblivion as the rest fell!
 
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MAFF

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #327
if wasps do get relegated it'll be a tasty game at the butts next season...
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #328
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I tend to look at the idea that if Wasps are allegedly talking to other parties for investment, they’ll be looking to sell. If that’s the case I think they’re eyeing us up to.
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Yes but we have an owner to reportedly wants a ridiculous sum or wants to stick around. The thing that stops us being bought isn’t the CBS it’s Sisu.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #329
shmmeee said:
Yes but we have an owner to reportedly wants a ridiculous sum or wants to stick around. The thing that stops us being bought isn’t the CBS it’s Sisu.
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Didn’t OSB say they’ve roughly put in 18m of their own money (might be wrong)

I reckon you could get the lot - CCFC, ACL and Wasps for around 60-70m

if someone offered 30m for the club I think SISU would be gone
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #330
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Didn’t OSB say they’ve roughly put in 18m of their own money (might be wrong)

I reckon you could get the lot - CCFC, ACL and Wasps for around 60-70m

if someone offered 30m for the club I think SISU would be gone
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Can't see anybody paying nowhere near that and why would anyone want Wasp
 

edgy

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #331
My money is on Wasps surviving, escaping relegation and still being leaseholder at the CBS this time next year.
 
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Colin Steins Smile

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #332
oldskyblue58 said:
I would have thought the cleanest way out is to sell ACL & IEC rather than the group actually going in to administration

ACL owns the lease, is the part that generates income and under a specialist stadium owner could perhaps turn profits. Would leave ccfc and wasps with leases to be there so there is worth there for a new owner. Any sum wasps holdings receives could be applied to the bond and other charges.

Wasps holdings needs to raise much more than 35m. Could the stadium be sold for a suitable sum ?

Just a thought but if ccfc paid for the pitch under administration would be an unsecured creditor I assume maybe not going to get it back?

Strange that Richardson was reappointed a director of acl in August 2022
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My take on recent events is the move towards administration is:
a] To buy time for a last ditch attempt to refinance
b] Allow Wasps Holdings to appoint an administrator, if it comes to that course of action rather than HMRC or Bond holders

Regarding the value of the CBS arena - Pride park was reportedly sold for circa £20 - £22M. The CBS needs some maintenance work, but has the exhibition hall, etc, so might be worth £20 - £25M? However, given the distressed situation of Wasps Holdings would anyone pay that?

I would guess that rental payments are made in financial quarters, so potentially the club would have a schedule of payments for either April - June, then July - September or if they follow Otiums financial year from 30th June .....it would be July - September, etc.... Therefore, any agreement in a rescheduling of rent payments to Wasps following the cost of pitch could mean a reduced rent for the October - December payment. Hence, I think the club will get some value of it's funding of the pitch back. If Wasps go into administration at the end of September CCFC has an established agreement in place for reduced rent. I just hope Dave Body did his homework on this!

If this is not the case and the club becomes a creditor to Wasps holdings, then that would provide Joy Sepella with a lot of financial reports on the admin process. Not sure Richardson would like that idea, as she knows a lot about how to manipulate admin processes.

As for Richardson and becoming a director of ACL, then this will be another tactic to ensure he protects his assets.
 

TomRad85

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #333
David O'Day said:
jd is a utd fan
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He is a bit of a bell so that adds up. But the point still stands for any Cov fans.

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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #334
Gynnsthetonic said:
Can't see anybody paying nowhere near that and why would anyone want Wasp
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Depends if you’re in a sports investor, Championship sides with a stadium have gone for between 50-80m.

like it or not - wasps are a premiership rugby side. The whole package is definitely worth 60-70m
 

shepardo01

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #335
edgy said:
My money is on Wasps surviving, escaping relegation and still being leaseholder at the CBS this time next year.
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....with no debt.....
 
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JAM See

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #336
Sorry, haven't read the whole thread.

Does anybody know how much HMRC are owed?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #337
shepardo01 said:
....with no debt.....
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I just can't see how they would happen though.

If they have secured Bonds on the Lease, not sure they can move the lease to a different company and then go into admin and then just come back the same with a new company with the lease but no bonds.

That's potentially fraud?
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #338
zuni said:
adds fuel to the fire on the rumour around someone buying both clubs is waiting in the wings to sweep up the ground and both teams.
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Is this the rumoured new owner?

 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #339
chiefdave said:
Is this the rumoured new owner?

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Do they wanna be in my gang my gang!
 

jordan210

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #340
edgy said:
My money is on Wasps surviving, escaping relegation and still being leaseholder at the CBS this time next year.
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Why screwing over bold holders
 
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jordan210

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #341
Not sure if this got posted

Message sent to players and staff
This is what Wasps players and staff received yesterday evening...

This morning, HMRC made a decision to give their intention to issue a winding-up order against the club for outstanding monies owed. Due to this, the board have taken the decision to enter a Notice of Intention to Appoint an Administrator (NOI).
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This is not the same as entering into administration, but it is a method by which the club and business can continue to trade whilst it finalises its negotiations with regards to the refinance package which the board have been working on.
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Clearly this is an unsettling time for all involved, however, at this present moment in time there is no change to daily operations and we have been informed that there is no reason why salaries due next week should not be paid as expected.
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What this process will do is protect the business in the short-term, to give it an opportunity to complete the refinance process.
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We have arranged for our restructuring partner, FRP, together with board members, to be available at the training ground in person tomorrow to answer any questions directly.
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 22, 2022
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shepardo01

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #343
Nick said:
I just can't see how they would happen though.

If they have secured Bonds on the Lease, not sure they can move the lease to a different company and then go into admin and then just come back the same with a new company with the lease but no bonds.

That's potentially fraud?
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I don't know either Nick.... but we know there has been a lot of prep for this, murky waters around all of the different companies/arms of "Wasps", Derek Richardson and his money (can't remember where I posted, but was told sunsay he still has cash and could, if he wanted, pay the bond)

Something "tricky" will happen and they'll come out of this In a way that at the moment, we can't fathom, but will be beneficial to "them"....

Come on.... we support CCFC... its bound to happen!
 

shepardo01

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #344
jordan210 said:
Not sure if this got posted

Message sent to players and staff
This is what Wasps players and staff received yesterday evening...
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"Restructuring partner"?
"COMPLETE the refinancing process"??
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #345
clock is running to get this sorted


  • By the directors or company: once the directors sign the notice of intention to appoint an administrator, they have 10 days of protection, when no creditor can take any recovery action. This occurs before they are actually in administration, so can be very useful, and can give the business and directors time to decide the way forward.
 
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edgy

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #346
jordan210 said:
Not sure if this got posted

Message sent to players and staff
This is what Wasps players and staff received yesterday evening...
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So not going into Admin then. More like buying time whilst they sort their shit out.
 

SBS

Active Member
  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #347
Nick said:
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Another turncoat who originally gave up on CCFC and welcomed Wasps with open arms
 
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jordan210

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #348
If anyone is interested in who FRP are: FRP Advisory | Real Expertise. Real Results. | Business Advisers
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #349
Nick said:
I just can't see how they would happen though.

If they have secured Bonds on the Lease, not sure they can move the lease to a different company and then go into admin and then just come back the same with a new company with the lease but no bonds.

That's potentially fraud?
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If the head lease company goes into administration with wasps chosen administrator the lease I think reverts. ACl to its original term. At that point the bond holder security will then go. So it’s not that straightforward and the bond holders are fragmented and have little time to collect together and act
 
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zuni

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #350
So, can the bondholders get in quicker and pull the oh shit cord and more importantly do we shave the heads of the turn coats and feather n tar them? .....asking for a mate
 
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