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oldfiver

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  • Oct 7, 2020
  • #2,206
better days said:
Probably didn't word it correctly
Whenever the outfit i work for is valuing a company for sale we don't use EBITDA. it only really makes sense for huge corporations and even then it's a bit dubious
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EBITDA is only part of the valuation but a starting point The smaller business tends to have special nuances and it is the "profit" figure that requires tweaking
 

duffer

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  • Oct 7, 2020
  • #2,207
The bond price is a pretty good indication of whether the bond holders see it as a good thing.

Personally, I can’t see any way that a company that’s already massively leveraged taking on more debt is a good thing, but maybe that’s just me.

I’m also struggling to see how a stadium and exhibition centre somehow maintains its current valuation when there’s no market for public events, and the primary tenant is struggling to meet the terms of its other financial commitments.

In short then:

Wasps Bonds: Sell
Smoke & Mirrors; Buy

 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Oct 7, 2020
  • #2,208
jordan210 said:
Some wasps fans are pinning hopes that rugby might get some money from the government. If this does happen it will open up a whole can of worms on other sports asking for the same help.
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I was speaking to a sporting industry expert the other day who said that the IOC are bailing out a number of global sporting governing bodies. Whilst those are global governing bodies, there doesn't appear to be much appetite for the UK govt to bail out professional sport in the UK.

I therefore cannot see them bailing out Rugby Union as they would then have to look at the EFL, the ECB etc as well.
 
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Peter Billing

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  • Oct 7, 2020
  • #2,209
Skyblueweeman said:
I was speaking to a sporting industry expert the other day who said that the IOC are bailing out a number of global sporting governing bodies. Whilst those are global governing bodies, there doesn't appear to be much appetite for the UK govt to bail out professional sport in the UK.

I therefore cannot see them bailing out Rugby Union as they would then have to look at the EFL, the ECB etc as well.
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Yes and they're not likely to do that if those sports don't have their house in order. As we saw with several airlines the government were not making handouts on demand but expected them to explore every other avenue of possible financing first.
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 8, 2020
  • #2,210

Survey shows Henley residents still against Wasps training ground plan

Wasps Rugby Club’s plans to redevelop Henley Sports Centre as its new training ground, continue to face considerable local opposition according to the…
www.stratford-herald.com

I do love the wasps forum.

"600 replies from 15000 residents isn't what I would call representative. That's only 4%, or just 3% of residents voiced opposition. It's about time the council just got on with it. Highly likely they will REJECT, then we can appeal and so on. I would hope this if it gets rejected, Wasps renegotiate the price in view of Covid"

"The reality is that most of the vocal dissenters are angry CCFC supporters who live outside of the area.

The College sold the facility because it was losing money - it was a no brainer."
 
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djbooth

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  • Oct 8, 2020
  • #2,211
jordan210 said:

Survey shows Henley residents still against Wasps training ground plan

Wasps Rugby Club’s plans to redevelop Henley Sports Centre as its new training ground, continue to face considerable local opposition according to the…
www.stratford-herald.com

I do love the wasps forum.

"600 replies from 15000 residents isn't what I would call representative. That's only 4%, or just 3% of residents voiced opposition. It's about time the council just got on with it. Highly likely they will REJECT, then we can appeal and so on. I would hope this if it gets rejected, Wasps renegotiate the price in view of Covid"

"The reality is that most of the vocal dissenters are angry CCFC supporters who live outside of the area.

The College sold the facility because it was losing money - it was a no brainer."
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There is only 2400 residents in Henley in Arden. 15000 is Henley on thames
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 8, 2020
  • #2,212
jordan210 said:

Survey shows Henley residents still against Wasps training ground plan

Wasps Rugby Club’s plans to redevelop Henley Sports Centre as its new training ground, continue to face considerable local opposition according to the…
www.stratford-herald.com

I do love the wasps forum.

"600 replies from 15000 residents isn't what I would call representative. That's only 4%, or just 3% of residents voiced opposition. It's about time the council just got on with it. Highly likely they will REJECT, then we can appeal and so on. I would hope this if it gets rejected, Wasps renegotiate the price in view of Covid"

"The reality is that most of the vocal dissenters are angry CCFC supporters who live outside of the area.

The College sold the facility because it was losing money - it was a no brainer."
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Haven't they bought the land yet then? How can they renegotiate the price in view of COVID? ha
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 8, 2020
  • #2,213
djbooth said:
There is only 2400 residents in Henley in Arden. 15000 is Henley on thames
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Shows the intelligence of the general egg chaser.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 8, 2020
  • #2,214
jordan210 said:
"The reality is that most of the vocal dissenters are angry CCFC supporters who live outside of the area.
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The objections on the planning portal have people's addresses on them which shows they are locals. The survey they've referring to was only open to locals. They really are clueless.

There's an objection from Sport England as well, are they angry CCFC supporters?
Nick said:
Haven't they bought the land yet then? How can they renegotiate the price in view of COVID? ha
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Pretty sure they have as didn't they shut everything down and then claim they should be allowed to use it as a training centre as nobody else was using it?
 
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Kneeza

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #2,215
Liquid Gold said:
Shows the intelligence of the general egg chaser.
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Oi.

 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #2,216
chiefdave said:
Pretty sure they have as didn't they shut everything down and then claim they should be allowed to use it as a training centre as nobody else was using it?
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Some of the Wasps fans are banging on about it being unused and just rotting. I am pretty sure people were using it when they could.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #2,217
Nick said:
Some of the Wasps fans are banging on about it being unused and just rotting. I am pretty sure people were using it when they could.
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Which was exactly what the Henley Group flagged up on day one. They'd close it and then claim it was out of use.
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #2,218
chiefdave said:
Which was exactly what the Henley Group flagged up on day one. They'd close it and then claim it was out of use.
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Move some gypsys in next to make a point.
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #2,219
If anyone on here has an Endole account. Could they do a check to see if the rumour that DR has put in 16million true ?
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #2,220
jordan210 said:
If anyone on here has an Endole account. Could they do a check to see if the rumour that DR has put in 16million true ?
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I doubt it - I think he’s confusing the overall loan of £18m - wasps lost £17m in the latest accounts it seems
 

stupot07

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #2,221
.lol

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 

jordan210

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #2,222
Grendel said:
I doubt it - I think he’s confusing the overall loan of £18m - wasps lost £17m in the latest accounts it seems
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Will be interesting to see as to date DR put 16m in. I cant see enrode sending a notification for something in old accounts.

unless he has added say 2million with a new interest rate.

I guess we need someone to see the new information
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #2,223
:16dandigirl: Well, we will not be voting in favour of these proposals which are a big dilution of bondholders security. There is only one element that we can support being (a) (iii) - early redemption at par. IMV these bonds should be redeemed and there should be a new issue incorporating any changes WASPS wish to bring in. They should not be foisted on existing holders. There are only downsides here for current holders. If that brings about early liquidation, better sooner rather than later when bondholders would have weakened their current position. Don't just accede to these proposals for they are not what they seem. Let Richardson arrange redemption and then he can do what he likes.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #2,224
Anybody know when the bond holders have to make their decision by and if the split will be publicised?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 9, 2020
  • #2,225

Investegate |Wasps Finance PLC Announcements | Wasps Finance PLC: LAUNCH OF CONSENT SOLICITATION

Investegate announcements from Wasps Finance PLC, LAUNCH OF CONSENT SOLICITATION
www.investegate.co.uk

Timetable is here near end

Voting by 27th Meeting and result 29th
 
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jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,226
oldfiver said:

Investegate |Wasps Finance PLC Announcements | Wasps Finance PLC: LAUNCH OF CONSENT SOLICITATION

Investegate announcements from Wasps Finance PLC, LAUNCH OF CONSENT SOLICITATION
www.investegate.co.uk

Timetable is here near end

Voting by 27th Meeting and result 29th
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for general info

Next coupon payment date (Interest) is the 13th of November.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,227
Grendel said:
I doubt it - I think he’s confusing the overall loan of £18m - wasps lost £17m in the latest accounts it seems
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Do you have a link to those G?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,228
jordan210 said:

Survey shows Henley residents still against Wasps training ground plan

Wasps Rugby Club’s plans to redevelop Henley Sports Centre as its new training ground, continue to face considerable local opposition according to the…
www.stratford-herald.com

I do love the wasps forum.

"600 replies from 15000 residents isn't what I would call representative. That's only 4%, or just 3% of residents voiced opposition. It's about time the council just got on with it. Highly likely they will REJECT, then we can appeal and so on. I would hope this if it gets rejected, Wasps renegotiate the price in view of Covid"

"The reality is that most of the vocal dissenters are angry CCFC supporters who live outside of the area.

The College sold the facility because it was losing money - it was a no brainer."
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They’re a bunch of nasty scumbags, genuinely would be happy to see them go out business and the club return to its rightful home for their real fans.
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,229
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do you have a link to those G?
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The 18m loan is shown in the last sets of account

https://www.wasps.co.uk/media/7048/wasps-holdings-ltd-31-12-2019.pdf
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,230
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do you have a link to those G?
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It’s in the telegraph but actually is discussed here

DrunkenWasps.com - Wasps financials / Bonds

DrunkenWasps.com discussion board : Unofficial Wasps news and views
m.rugbynetwork.net
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,231
jordan210 said:
The 18m loan is shown in the last sets of account

https://www.wasps.co.uk/media/7048/wasps-holdings-ltd-31-12-2019.pdf
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An additional £18m?
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,232
Grendel said:
An additional £18m?
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Yeah they are the loans carried over
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,233
Grendel said:
It’s in the telegraph but actually is discussed here

DrunkenWasps.com - Wasps financials / Bonds

DrunkenWasps.com discussion board : Unofficial Wasps news and views
m.rugbynetwork.net
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Don’t know how I missed those, ta
 

shepardo01

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,234
Sick Boy said:
They’re a bunch of nasty scumbags, genuinely would be happy to see them go out business and the club return to its rightful home for their real fans.
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They are having their game on in the hospitality lounges at the Ricoh today.
The game is being played at the Ricoh....

Regulations state that the game should not be watched. (Eg through the windows)....

Bet they do.....

Wonder if anybody might make a complaint.....
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,235
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Don’t know how I missed those, ta
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It’s pretty grim and shows the claim that Vaughan makes they were having a good year before COVID to be rather unlikely
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,236
Grendel said:
It’s pretty grim and shows the claim that Vaughan makes they were having a good year before COVID to be rather unlikely
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Should make the 20-21 accounts a good read then
 

jordan210

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,237
Grendel said:
An additional £18m?
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I dont think the additional one will even show in the next accounts. due to timings. if there was one of 16m will be in accounts next year.

I guess we need to see what the notification from endole was to see if something new
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,238
When you look at the accounts the real problem has always been the Rugby side of the business. Pretty much all the losses are attributed the them.

The entertainment side isn’t exactly great but it probably just about breaks even. The irony is Richardson would be better off selling the rugby club and making it a tenant along with the football club
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,239
Grendel said:
When you look at the accounts the real problem has always been the Rugby side of the business. Pretty much all the losses are attributed the them.

The entertainment side isn’t exactly great but it probably just about breaks even. The irony is Richardson would be better off selling the rugby club and making it a tenant along with the football club
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Couldn’t imagine many takers in such a scenario
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 10, 2020
  • #2,240
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Couldn’t imagine many takers in such a scenario
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The only way it could possibly work is if he wrote off all his debt then paid off the bond holders himself for the arena.

The thing has been a shit show from the start of its build and will only ever potentially work without a mountain of debt around it but nobody has ever managed to make it work.
 
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