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clint van damme

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,916
Nick said:
What does that mean in English?
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It means Coley88 has to tell his missus he's spunked their early retirement pot on a ponzi scheme
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,917
clint van damme said:
It means Coley88 has to tell his missus he's spunked their early retirement pot on a ponzi scheme
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Least a football fan would spend it on Coke, beer and prozzies.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,918
The Bondholder Facebook forum reporting they have filed a CVA

Which Company yet to find out
 
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oldfiver

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,919
company voluntary arrangement

A company voluntary arrangement (CVA) is a procedure that allows a company: To settle debts by paying only a proportion of the amount that it owes to creditors. To come to some other arrangement with its creditors over the payment of its debts.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,920
Street said no, to Wasps
Street said no
Street said no, to Wasps
Street said no
Ohhhh Wasps, Street said no
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,921
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Street said no, to Wasps
Street said no
Street said no, to Wasps
Street said no
Ohhhh Wasps, Street said no
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Not that simple I don’t think
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,922
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Street said no, to Wasps
Street said no
Street said no, to Wasps
Street said no
Ohhhh Wasps, Street said no
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What's he said?
 
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Moff

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,923
Grendel said:
Not that simple I don’t think
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It may not be, but seriously can you see anyway they can dig themselves out of the huge financial hole they are in.

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving club.

I hope they tumble, and the shits from the Council who supported them, fall as well.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,924
Grendel said:
Not that simple I don’t think
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Of course, though had the funding been granted it would have significantly changed the dynamics. As is, they seem to accept none is forthcoming
 
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djr8369

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,925
oldfiver said:
company voluntary arrangement

A company voluntary arrangement (CVA) is a procedure that allows a company: To settle debts by paying only a proportion of the amount that it owes to creditors. To come to some other arrangement with its creditors over the payment of its debts.
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Maybe we can all do that with our energy bills?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,926
djr8369 said:
Maybe we can all do that with our energy bills?
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That would be an IVA but would not go that route!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,927
Wasps want some, but will he give it them?
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,928
Going bust, going bust London Wasps
Going bust, going bust I say
Going bust, going bust London Wasps
Give our stadium back today
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,929
loving shugs pretending a cva is totally normal and fine
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,930
It’s ok Shugs says that they have to raise a CVA or they can’t talk to bond holders / new one on me
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,931
David O'Day said:
loving shugs pretending a cva is totally normal and fine
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What a disaster
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,932
So what odds are on this being the demise of wasps?
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,933
David O'Day said:
loving shugs pretending a cva is totally normal and fine
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Is he using the Tim Fisher 'normal business practice' line
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,934
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
So what odds are on this being the demise of wasps?
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I would imagine that as with our administration they've got everything lined up so they can control the process and get the outcome they desire. The bond holders are potentially the issue, can't see that they'll just accept a part payment when they have the security of the stadium, well lease, unless of course its not worth as much as Wasps claimed and doesn't actually cover what they are owed.
 
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Kneeza

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,935
fernandopartridge said:
I read it and thought it perfectly fitted my perception of Wasps and rugby fans in general.....management consultants who probably attend "Twickers"
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Oi. Wasps maybe. I've been to Twickenham three times (many many years ago, never again) and I'm an ex dirty stinky milling machine operator, so you can fuck right off with the rest of that.
Nicely, of course.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 10, 2022
  • #5,936
Nick said:
What does that mean in English?
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It means Wasps are in the shit and the bond holders know they are. Double shit.
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,937
How would administration or CVA work with the bond? If they just turn round to bondholders and say, for example, we'll give you 50p in the £ why would they accept when they have security? Unless there's not enough security to cover the bonds you're not accepting less are you?
 

tisza

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,938
chiefdave said:
How would administration or CVA work with the bond? If they just turn round to bondholders and say, for example, we'll give you 50p in the £ why would they accept when they have security? Unless there's not enough security to cover the bonds you're not accepting less are you?
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Also with a CVA wouldn't the management that have created this situation remain in place? Wouldn't appeal to me as an investor
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,939
chiefdave said:
How would administration or CVA work with the bond? If they just turn round to bondholders and say, for example, we'll give you 50p in the £ why would they accept when they have security? Unless there's not enough security to cover the bonds you're not accepting less are you?
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They don’t have actual security it’s not that straightforward
 

MAFF

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,940
So does CVA suggest insolvency and possible administration?
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,941
IMissMAF said:
So does CVA suggest insolvency and possible administration?
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It can be the first step to Liquidation
 

MalcSB

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,942
Grendel said:
They don’t have actual security it’s not that straightforward
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They think they have,
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,943
Has the CVA been confirmed yet or is it just speculation?
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,944
MalcSB said:
They think they have,
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There are I thought I read somewhere 3,000 bond holders exist - most I’d assume have £2,000 in it purchased through a broker. It’s difficult to get a collective response through a vast amount of people
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,945
chiefdave said:
How would administration or CVA work with the bond? If they just turn round to bondholders and say, for example, we'll give you 50p in the £ why would they accept when they have security? Unless there's not enough security to cover the bonds you're not accepting less are you?
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The security though isn't the actual lease is it? just the proceeds from the sale of it
 

Nick

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,946
fernandopartridge said:
The security though isn't the actual lease is it? just the proceeds from the sale of it
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That's not very secure then!
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,947
Grendel said:
They don’t have actual security it’s not that straightforward
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The way security was written about in the prospectus always seemed a bit off to me but I assumed it was just going over my head and as I wasn't about to hand them thousands of my own money not an issue.

How would it work in practice? Wasps say we're going to offer you 20p in the £, to pick a random figure, the bondholders say hold on we've got security. They then try and enforce that security and get the lease sold to recover their money, what happens then?
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,948
fernandopartridge said:
The security though isn't the actual lease is it? just the proceeds from the sale of it
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A big red flag for more with the security has always been who they were going to sell the lease for at anything like the amount its been valued at.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,949
I think the bondholders' might be lower on the order of precedence in creditors than Richardson himself
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 11, 2022
  • #5,950
fernandopartridge said:
I think the bondholders' might be lower on the order of precedence in creditors than Richardson himself
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No doubt about that!
 
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