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Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,796
Evo1883 said:
Man United are worth more than their debt , are wasps worth more than their debt of 54 million? Not sure they are anywhere close to that
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Even if they were worth less than their debt they are still bringing in the funds to pay it.

Wasps had 1 large debt looming and they've defaulted on it.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,797

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Clickerty click on the attached and sit back and enjoy….
 

Nick

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,798
I can't believe he compared Wasps to Man Utd.


 
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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,799
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m sure that’s right
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I don’t know of any City fan that wishes Wasps well. I want them to fail and clear off back to their own fans in the south east. I want us (and that certainly isn’t necessarily Sisu) to own for the first time the stadium that was built for us.I think most City fans would feel the same.
They are every bit as big a franchise as MK. Shame on the council and on the RFU for bringing them into a city that already had a first class rugby team, albeit one that was going through hard times. I wonder what Cov could do with £13m.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,800
I wonder what cov rugby fans and ownership thinks of this ? I reckon deep down they'd love wasps to fuck off
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,801
Liquid Gold said:
Debt free yes. Taking on £17.5m debt or paying that for it fuck no.
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SISU carries more debt than that on the football side of things. I can't see a good case for bailing them out.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,802
Bobby Bridge is alive
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,803
Evo1883 said:
I wonder what cov rugby fans and ownership thinks of this ? I reckon deep down they'd love wasps to fuck off
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Of course they would. Can't say that outright as they need to work with partners but... of course they would!
 
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Nick

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,804
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Bobby Bridge is alive
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Looks like he is just going OTT with Leicester Tigers stuff though?
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,805
Nick said:
Looks like he is just going OTT with Leicester Tigers stuff though?
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Free shirt must have been refused then….
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,806
If they ever make a film of this, who'll play the main protaganists?

Joy - Sharon Stone
Fisher - Shane Ritchie
Gilbert - Paul Chuckle
Duggins - Kevin Spacey, though it might damage his reputation.
Richardson - that bloke of Emmerdale
Robins - Ryan Reynolds
Adi - The Rock or Brendan Gleeson
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,807
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Bobby Bridge is alive
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From the neck down
 
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mr_monkey

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,808
clint van damme said:
If they ever make a film of this, who'll play the main protaganists?

Joy - Sharon Stone
Fisher - Shane Ritchie
Gilbert - Paul Chuckle
Duggins - Kevin Spacey, though it might damage his reputation.
Richardson - that bloke of Emmerdale
Robins - Ryan Reynolds
Adi - The Rock or Brendan Gleeson
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Surely Gilbert is Emmet from the Lego movie
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,809
mr_monkey said:
Surely Gilbert is Emmet from the Lego movie
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Fair enough, but you're going to have to break the news to Paul
 
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duffer

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,810
Evo1883 said:
I wonder what cov rugby fans and ownership thinks of this ? I reckon deep down they'd love wasps to fuck off
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Absolutely. I don't think they're hated at the Butts, but I'm pretty sure that they're not much liked!

I've been going regularly for a long time now, way before Wasps rocked up. Cov's owner was apoplectic when the deal was done in secret without their consultation, and I think he still feels the same now.

There's usually a degree of merriment if the scores are read out and Wasps are losing, but their fans are tolerated rather than despised, in my experience anyway.
 
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tisza

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,811
Liquid Gold said:
This is full blown insanity

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Professional sports clubs don not exist in the real fiscal world - yes the do, of course they do

You are not Man Utd, they have a load of debt, they also generate more money than any other team outside of the US (I think), they are not losing money

Strange that you seem to be the only club applying for those funds, it's almost as if it should be a concern. It isn't your owners being full on geniuses applying for a grant that nobody else had thought of.

Honestly get the nurse.
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it's absolute garbage.
The owners of professional sports teams might believe they don't have to operate in the fiscal world but they do.
This isn't old Wild west of sports team ownership when rich local people ran them on a whim and as a personal toy.
Once you get into debt you are in the "real fiscal world".
Also WMCA don't have a limitless budget so asking for 13 million is a noteable % of the resources they have to hand. Plus every sports team in the area is going to be asking for handouts if Wasps get one. CCFC just as entitled to ask for the lost income for when they had to play behind closed doors.
Original poster an idiot
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,812
Evo1883 said:
Man United are worth more than their debt , are wasps worth more than their debt of 54 million? Not sure they are anywhere close to that
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They’ll never be a shortage of people with the ability to maintain Man U’s waiting to buy Man U either. Can’t see there being a long queue of people to buy debt ridden Wasps.
 
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MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,813
tisza said:
it's absolute garbage.
The owners of professional sports teams might believe they don't have to operate in the fiscal world but they do.
This isn't old Wild west of sports team ownership when rich local people ran them on a whim and as a personal toy.
Once you get into debt you are in the "real fiscal world".
Also WMCA don't have a limitless budget so asking for 13 million is a noteable % of the resources they have to hand. Plus every sports team in the area is going to be asking for handouts if Wasps get one. CCFC just as entitled to ask for the lost income for when they had to play behind closed doors.
Original poster an idiot
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I get the feeling that poster just doesn't want to admin that he may lose his investment/rugby team. Does he think a casino/hotel 'do not exist in the real fiscal world' ?

The trouble with having all these other businesses in the group is that when things go wrong, there's lots more than just an under-supported/performing rugby team to shore up...

I suspect as Tisza says, this application is technically for stadium renovations and could be at the insistence of banks providing the refinancing. It would explain the delay. No idea how long these applications would normally take to process though. Surely they couldn't make a decision on that much money by the end of June?!
 

Nick

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,814
MusicDating said:
No idea how long these applications would normally take to process though. Surely they couldn't make a decision on that much money by the end of June?!
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Have they said when they applied though? For all we know it could be approved and ready to go, like the sale to Wasps originally was.
 

Moff

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,815
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Bobby Bridge is alive
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Has he stopped posting on here as a PR stooge from Dubai, and started doing some real work now?
 
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Dubai-Dodger

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,816
Moff said:
Has he stopped posting on here as a PR stooge from Dubai, and started doing some real work now?
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No …as concerning as the situation is …. . I’m Just enjoying reading all the gloating and speculation …. And yes I’ve been doing some real work today.
 
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Moff

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  • Jun 17, 2022
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Dubai-Dodger said:
No …as concerning as the situation is …. . I’m Just enjoying reading all the gloating and speculation …. And yes I’ve been doing some real work today.
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I'm glad you took it in the manner it was intended.

Now you know your rugby, how do you think the other top teams will feel if Wasps finances get propped up with State Aid, whilst their playing budget remains untouched due to this?

Sarries cheated and got caught out....I'm sure some well run local teams wont take kindly to this. I must ask the question on the Saints forum.
 
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Skybluemichael

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,818
Liquid Gold said:
The debt has always been the thing that has made the ownership model on the arena unsustainable. Was for us CCC Wasps and whoever comes next
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Didn’t sisu try and buy the debit from Yorkshire bank and write it off for 50% of the stadium, then the council came in and offered the bank more
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,819
Skybluemichael said:
Didn’t sisu try and buy the debit from Yorkshire bank and write it off for 50% of the stadium, then the council came in and offered the bank more
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Yeah but sisu would have borrowed against it. Or that’s what the PR line was anyway.
 
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duffer

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,820
Skybluemichael said:
Didn’t sisu try and buy the debit from Yorkshire bank and write it off for 50% of the stadium, then the council came in and offered the bank more
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It was a bit more complex than that as I recall, but maybe we don't want to go down that rabbit hole again here.

Let's just say that for a brief period, everyone involved seemed up for screwing YB over, but then they all fell out. No honour amongst thieves, is the phrase that springs to mind.

Personally though, I'm happy to forget all of that and just bask in Wasps continued misadventures.
 

jordan210

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,821
mr_monkey said:
Surely Gilbert is Emmet from the Lego movie
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With his new Beard and man bun he needs a new character sadly.

I now we have all given him stick before. But This time Simons come up trumps.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,822
I have Simon on my Facebook, as I was in the same class at school
 
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Dubai-Dodger

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  • Jun 17, 2022
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Moff said:
I'm glad you took it in the manner it was intended.

Now you know your rugby, how do you think the other top teams will feel if Wasps finances get propped up with State Aid, whilst their playing budget remains untouched due to this?

Sarries cheated and got caught out....I'm sure some well run local teams wont take kindly to this. I must ask the question on the Saints forum.
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Right now we don’t know what the £13m is for or indeed the structure / terms of any funding, if indeed it’s granted. However that doesn’t make it any less concerning for me as it doesn’t paint a good picture. Time will tell.

I guess other clubs will make their mind up once the full picture is clear.

As for comparisons with Saracens, they were caught paying players more than they should, to give them a competitive edge over other clubs to win trophies, if Wasps are found to be doing the same then of course throw the book. But at the moment I’m not sure how you can link £13m funding for something we don’t know the full picture of to the players salaries, that said I’m sure as eggs are eggs others here will disagree with me.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,824
Dubai-Dodger said:
I’m sure as egg chasers are egg chasers others here will disagree with me.
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Fixed
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,825
Dubai-Dodger said:
Right now we don’t know what the £13m is for or indeed the structure / terms of any funding, if indeed it’s granted. However that doesn’t make it any less concerning for me as it doesn’t paint a good picture. Time will tell.

I guess other clubs will make their mind up once the full picture is clear.

As for comparisons with Saracens, they were caught paying players more than they should, to give them a competitive edge over other clubs to win trophies, if Wasps are found to be doing the same then of course throw the book. But at the moment I’m not sure how you can link £13m funding for something we don’t know the full picture of to the players salaries, that said I’m sure as eggs are eggs others here will disagree with me.
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Wasps charge sheet is far worse than Saracens. Only they've won nothing as a result.
 
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Dubai-Dodger

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  • Jun 17, 2022
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clint van damme said:
Wasps charge sheet is far worse than Saracens. Only they've won nothing as a result.
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Is it ? ….. why not explain ?
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,827
Dubai-Dodger said:
Is it ? ….. why not explain ?
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Collusion with CCC as detailed in this thread.

Broken promises about not working to the detriment of the cities existing sports teams.

Broken promises on regeneration of the North side of the city.

Colluding with a syndicate trying to take over CCFC, which many supporters feel would have been even more disastrous for the club.

Raising finances via a bond which they clearly are struggling to pay.

Hostile take over of a local village sports and community facility.

That's off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more.

Of course, some ofthe above was facilitated by our owners and their actions.

But if you thing saracens bunging their players a few quid more then fair enough.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,828
Evo1883 said:
I have Simon on my Facebook, as I was in the same class at school
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Did you bully him?
 
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Dubai-Dodger

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,829
clint van damme said:
Collusion with CCC as detailed in this thread.

Broken promises about not working to the detriment of the cities existing sports teams.

Broken promises on regeneration of the North side of the city.

Colluding with a syndicate trying to take over CCFC, which many supporters feel would have been even more disastrous for the club.

Raising finances via a bond which they clearly are struggling to pay.

Hostile take over of a local village sports and community facility.

That's off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more.

Of course, some ofthe above was facilitated by our owners and their actions.

But if you thing saracens bunging their players a few quid more then fair enough.
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Regardless of anyones view of the rights or wrongs of the above, ……..is any of that in breach of the salary cap regs ? If it is then I’m all for punishing Wasps in the same way as Saracens. But at least compare apples with apples.
 

Nick

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  • Jun 17, 2022
  • #4,830
Dubai-Dodger said:
Regardless of anyones view of the rights or wrongs of the above, ……..is any of that in breach of the salary cap regs ? If it is then I’m all for punishing Wasps in the same way as Saracens. But at least compare apples with apples.
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He didn't say salary cap regs, he said charge sheet.

As always. Denial and distraction.
 
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