W**ps confirm premiership final (1 Viewer)

pastythegreat · Oct 21, 2020

Was really hoping they wouldn't go ahead. The had 4 more positive cases yesterday so I had hoped it would be the final nail but it appears not.
I suppose playing with a significantly weakened team and losing is better fpr them £££s wise than not playing at all. If they don't play the final i think it would be almost curtains for them.

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fernandopartridge · Oct 21, 2020

Nobody in the world actually cares about this final tbh

duffer · Oct 21, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Nobody in the world actually cares about this final tbh

I care. I’d like to see them get absolutely hammered. I know, it’s petty, and spiteful, but there you are.

They shouldn’t have franchised themselves and in doing so stitched us up, I guess.

If or when they finally fold up or move on, the Rugby Premiership will be far less interesting for me. Who can I support when it isn’t ‘whoever is playing Wasps this week’.

Kneeza · Oct 22, 2020

duffer said:
I care. I’d like to see them get absolutely hammered. I know, it’s petty, and spiteful, but there you are.

They shouldn’t have franchised themselves and in doing so stitched us up, I guess.

If or when they finally fold up or move on, the Rugby Premiership will be far less interesting for me. Who can I support when it isn’t ‘whoever is playing Wasps this week’.

Cov, mate.
Just need to make that step up

Frostie · Oct 24, 2020

ccfc92 · Oct 24, 2020

mr_monkey · Oct 24, 2020

Makes the commiseration beer for our performance today taste a little sweeter

ccfc92 · Oct 24, 2020

I still don't get the top 4 thing. I am right in thinking you can be top all season and lose the play offs and not win the league?

More importantly, is that Wasps more humped financially?

mr_monkey · Oct 24, 2020

ccfc92 said:
I still don't get the top 4 thing. I am right in thinking you can be top all season and lose the play offs and not win the league?

More importantly, is that Wasps more humped financially?

Yes and yes

Grendel · Oct 24, 2020

It would have been better if they’d won as no one in Coventry would have cared and most not even known

ccfc92 · Oct 24, 2020

mr_monkey said:
Yes and yes

ccfc92 · Oct 24, 2020

Grendel said:
It would have been better if they’d won as no one in Coventry would have cared and most not even known

Trying to find it on Twitter was embarrassing for such a "big event".

Search came up with Kansas City Chiefs and pest control...

Although you do get a fair amount of wankers from Warwickshire banging the Wasps drum on Twitter, sickening.

pastythegreat · Oct 24, 2020

ccfc92 said:
I still don't get the top 4 thing. I am right in thinking you can be top all season and lose the play offs and not win the league?

More importantly, is that Wasps more humped financially?

Yeah, thats why I said, theyll be better financially playing kids and losing rather than forfeiting and not playing at all. Lovely that they lost n all, but its also been a nice little pay day for the annoying tossers.

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Nick · Oct 24, 2020

Grendel said:
It would have been better if they’d won as no one in Coventry would have cared and most not even known

Nobody cared anyway apart from the gravy train pricks at the Telegraph and CWR.

Bet they got a nice dinner out of it.

CJ_covblaze · Oct 24, 2020

ccfc92 said:
I still don't get the top 4 thing. I am right in thinking you can be top all season and lose the play offs and not win the league?

More importantly, is that Wasps more humped financially?

It’s wonderful to see them lose that. With regards to play offs it’s no different to using them to decide EFL promotion really. A team that finishes 3 places below you can take the prize.

Frostie · Oct 24, 2020

Brilliant from Cov Rugby Club

Nick · Oct 24, 2020

CJ_covblaze said:
It’s wonderful to see them lose that. With regards to play offs it’s no different to using them to decide EFL promotion really. A team that finishes 3 places below you can take the prize.

Surprised you weren't down the Ricoh clapping?

Travs · Oct 24, 2020

I have no real knowledge on the subject, but I'd imagine the main benefit for Wasps is the fact they finished top 4, and I assume therefore gained qualification to the top European competition next season.

I'd expect this would be more significant than whether they won/lost today in the grand scheme of things money-wise.

Nick · Oct 24, 2020

Booming. Look at those flags go.

Terry Gibson's perm · Oct 24, 2020

The Andy Goode Suite how lovely it will be to see that sort of shit removed when they finally clear off. I would use his name the Andy Goode cubicle should be fine

fiftyphead · Oct 24, 2020

Mcbean · Oct 25, 2020

Just in to say well played Exeter - best result for the country -Fuck wasps with a small W

ccfc92 · Oct 25, 2020

CJ_covblaze said:
It’s wonderful to see them lose that. With regards to play offs it’s no different to using them to decide EFL promotion really. A team that finishes 3 places below you can take the prize.

It's not really the same at all really though is it? You don't have 1st and 2nd places involved in the play offs.

So I'm correct in thinking you can be 4th all season and win the title? Surely that's a piss take if a team is 1st all season?

Weird format.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Oct 25, 2020

ccfc92 said:
It's not really the same at all really though is it? You don't have 1st and 2nd places involved in the play offs.

So I'm correct in thinking you can be 4th all season and win the title? Surely that's a piss take if a team is 1st all season?

Weird format.

All taken from the US because it's more £££. At least in the US the teams involved don't all play each other due to different leagues/divisions so it has some validity to find the best. When you;re picking them from the same league who've played the same teams you have over the season it kind of makes it hollow IMO and best treated like a separate small competition

Kneeza · Oct 26, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
All taken from the US because it's more £££. At least in the US the teams involved don't all play each other due to different leagues/divisions so it has some validity to find the best. When you;re picking them from the same league who've played the same teams you have over the season it kind of makes it hollow IMO and best treated like a separate small competition

Absolutely.
Ex have topped the league in each of the past four seasons, yet, ridiculously, haven't been crowned 'champions' each time. A travesty of money over integrity.
(The previous season they were equal top too, but officially second on a win-count, even though they had a better points-difference. Fucked up, is that).

CJ_covblaze · Oct 26, 2020

ccfc92 said:
It's not really the same at all really though is it? You don't have 1st and 2nd places involved in the play offs.

So I'm correct in thinking you can be 4th all season and win the title? Surely that's a piss take if a team is 1st all season?

Weird format.

My point is you could be a dozen points clear of the team that ends up going up. I don’t mind it at all. Adds something different at the end of the season. When it comes to top flight sport across the world we are in the minority in not having play offs. I know those elsewhere find it difficult to comprehend how we do it.

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 26, 2020

CJ_covblaze said:
My point is you could be a dozen points clear of the team that ends up going up. I don’t mind it at all. Adds something different at the end of the season. When it comes to top flight sport across the world we are in the minority in not having play offs. I know those elsewhere find it difficult to comprehend how we do it.

Yes it is difficult to comprehend the team finishing top after a full season being declared the winners.

fernandopartridge · Oct 26, 2020

CJ_covblaze said:
My point is you could be a dozen points clear of the team that ends up going up. I don’t mind it at all. Adds something different at the end of the season. When it comes to top flight sport across the world we are in the minority in not having play offs. I know those elsewhere find it difficult to comprehend how we do it.

What do you mean? All of the European football leagues declare the first placed team as the Champions, it's only dreadful American or otherwise displaying those symptoms i.e. designed for TV, use play offs as a way of increasing commercial exposure etc that do it differently.

Mucca Mad Boys · Oct 26, 2020

ccfc92 said:
It's not really the same at all really though is it? You don't have 1st and 2nd places involved in the play offs.

So I'm correct in thinking you can be 4th all season and win the title? Surely that's a piss take if a team is 1st all season?

Weird format.

Not too different to how we have a 3rd promotion spot using the playoffs.

The fairest way to do it would be to have 3rd place, but also a pretty boring way to end it.

ccfc92 · Oct 26, 2020

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Not too different to how we have a 3rd promotion spot using the playoffs.

The fairest way to do it would be to have 3rd place, but also a pretty boring way to end it.

It's completely different though. You don't have 1st place losing out to 4th in football, just the teams in 3rd - 6th.

I'd understand the rugby play offs if it was to decide a 2nd place finish to play European rugby or something.

Mucca Mad Boys · Oct 26, 2020

ccfc92 said:
It's completely different though. You don't have 1st place losing out to 4th in football, just the teams in 3rd - 6th.

I'd understand the rugby play offs if it was to decide a 2nd place finish to play European rugby or something.

As other people have mentioned, the playoff system is quite common for a number of sports. The context for rugby is very different too.

With Rugby Union, international players who are called up play for their country in the middle of the season, do not play for their clubs during their call up. For example, literally half the Saracens starting team were off playing for their various countries over the years. Therefore, there are teams disproportionately affected by the international breaks. You don't have this in football where there are regular breaks for the international fixtures.

Practical example, imagine the fuss if half the Man City or Liverpool teams were off on international duty and a team with few internationals were able to capitalise and finish 1st place.

A playoff system to determine the winner of the Premiership (football) wouldn't make sense. However, it makes perfect sense to have a playoff in Rugby Union.

Sky Blue Harry H · Oct 26, 2020

Travs said:
I have no real knowledge on the subject, but I'd imagine the main benefit for Wasps is the fact they finished top 4, and I assume therefore gained qualification to the top European competition next season.

I'd expect this would be more significant than whether they won/lost today in the grand scheme of things money-wise.

Cost them a bloody fortune travelling won't it? Plus loads of testing costs etc

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 26, 2020

Mucca Mad Boys said:
As other people have mentioned, the playoff system is quite common for a number of sports. The context for rugby is very different too.

With Rugby Union, international players who are called up play for their country in the middle of the season, do not play for their clubs during their call up. For example, literally half the Saracens starting team were off playing for their various countries over the years. Therefore, there are teams disproportionately affected by the international breaks. You don't have this in football where there are regular breaks for the international fixtures.

Practical example, imagine the fuss if half the Man City or Liverpool teams were off on international duty and a team with few internationals were able to capitalise and finish 1st place.

A playoff system to determine the winner of the Premiership (football) wouldn't make sense. However, it makes perfect sense to have a playoff in Rugby Union.

Doesn’t apply in cricket which is similarly affected by international call ups

Travs · Oct 26, 2020

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Cost them a bloody fortune travelling won't it? Plus loads of testing costs etc

I'd imagine the prize-money for getting there (a much smaller model than the Champions League for instance), and additional tv revenue would more than make up for it.

I'm not trying to back them here... just thinking realistically.

That said, i don't think European rugby will save them, nor did i think that missing out on the top 4 would ruin them... they are looking like a sinking ship but it will take time for them to go.

djbooth · Oct 26, 2020

Travs said:
I'd imagine the prize-money for getting there (a much smaller model than the Champions League for instance), and additional tv revenue would more than make up for it.

I'm not trying to back them here... just thinking realistically.

That said, i don't think European rugby will save them, nor did i think that missing out on the top 4 would ruin them... they are looking like a sinking ship but it will take time for them to go.

it’s not great I think it’s around 600,000 for the winners and 300,000. I heard that the premier final was 500,000 and runners up 250,000

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