Villa Fans on the train - should be running our Trust (1 Viewer)

Grendel · Dec 21, 2019

On train back talking To 3 villa season ticket holders. All young - in their twenties - and interested why we are playing in Birmingham - it was two girls and a guy.

The girls were fairly clued up on the council flogging time Wasps and said it was shameful, a disgrace and community sport has to be valued.

The most telling observation cane when one asked what is your trust doing about it - ours would be road blocking the ground, demanding a wasps boycott and making life impossible for them

When I showed them the trust twitter feed one comment

“They are a disgrace to loyal supporter”

Indeed

pusbccfc · Dec 21, 2019

Said this for years.

Our protesting has always been fucking pathetic. The trust aren't fully to blame, the fans in general have been poor.

Sorry to say it, but so many other clubs would have done so much more. We pissed around with placards and a few chants.

The Trust should have taken a leaf out of Charlton's book.

Grendel · Dec 21, 2019

They were good company, bright intelligent and could not get their heads round it. The trust are reprehensible

shy_tall_knight · Dec 21, 2019

Do the main players in the sky blues trust actually attend games at St Andrews

Grendel · Dec 21, 2019

shy_tall_knight said:
Do the main players in the sky blues trust actually attend games at St Andrews

Neil White I think does. CJ and Johnson no. The other guy who knows

The reality is their lack of objection to Wasps makes us a laughing stock - it’s embarrassing

clint van damme · Dec 21, 2019

shy_tall_knight said:
Do the main players in the sky blues trust actually attend games at St Andrews

Not the ones I know though they do go away.

SBAndy · Dec 21, 2019

pusbccfc said:
Said this for years.

Our protesting has always been fucking pathetic. The trust aren't fully to blame, the fans in general have been poor.

Sorry to say it, but so many other clubs would have done so much more. We pissed around with placards and a few chants.

The Trust should have taken a leaf out of Charlton's book.

Disagree on the Charlton point, different set of circumstances. Agree with the rest.

ccfc1234 · Dec 21, 2019

shy_tall_knight said:
Do the main players in the sky blues trust actually attend games at St Andrews

There Probably in corporate seats at the Ricoh enjoying free hospitality.

cc84cov · Dec 21, 2019

Protest ? Have we even ever staged one always said you imagine this happened to Leeds Utd for example do you think they would be in our position playing out of leeds ? Not a single chance

Sick Boy · Dec 21, 2019

cc84cov said:
Protest ? Have we even ever staged one always said you imagine this happened to Leeds Utd for example do you think they would be in our position playing out of leeds ? Not a single chance

Imagine their fans’ reaction to their Trust peddling out excuses for the franchise as well.

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 21, 2019

cc84cov said:
Protest ? Have we even ever staged one

21 people, no Trust backing until the last possible minute, a senior figure (not from Wasps, interestingly) tried to put off the protest, too.

Pretty shit, really.

Grendel · Dec 21, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
21 people, no Trust backing until the last possible minute, a senior figure (not from Wasps, interestingly) tried to put off the protest, too.

Pretty shit, really.

That’s not protest organised by the fans group

Also it’s really about the official supporters club really going on an offensive about boycotts, negative PR, constantly on CWR - the reality is they are a bunch of brainwashed drones on an agenda that has nothing to do with this football club

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 21, 2019

Grendel said:
That’s not protest organised by the fans group

Also it’s really about the official supporters club really going on an offensive about boycotts, negative PR, constantly on CWR - the reality is they are a bunch of brainwashed drones on an agenda that has nothing to do with this football club

I did say no Trust backing until the last possible minute.

cc84cov · Dec 21, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
21 people, no Trust backing until the last possible minute, a senior figure (not from Wasps, interestingly) tried to put off the protest, too.

Pretty shit, really.

It’s embarrassing mate the powers that be need to step aside...The trust my arse waste of time jokers

Samo · Dec 21, 2019

Grendel said:
On train back talking To 3 villa season ticket holders. All young - in their twenties - and interested why we are playing in Birmingham - it was two girls and a guy.

The girls were fairly clued up on the council flogging time Wasps and said it was shameful, a disgrace and community sport has to be valued.

The most telling observation cane when one asked what is your trust doing about it - ours would be road blocking the ground, demanding a wasps boycott and making life impossible for them

When I showed them the trust twitter feed one comment

“They are a disgrace to loyal supporter”

Indeed

How about you do something yourself then G?

theferret · Dec 21, 2019

pusbccfc said:
Said this for years.

Our protesting has always been fucking pathetic. The trust aren't fully to blame, the fans in general have been poor.

Sorry to say it, but so many other clubs would have done so much more. We pissed around with placards and a few chants.

The Trust should have taken a leaf out of Charlton's book.

Can't agree with this. Blackpool, Charlton etc were all united behind a common enemy. The problem we've had for years is that we can't even agree about who we should be protesting about and to. The whole thing is a convuluted mess.

There have been a lot of protests, in our relegation season, we disrupted 4 games where players had to be taken off the pitch. It went well beyond placard waving on a number of occasions. What good did it do? None, because those protests were aimed at one party who were so detached from them it made no difference. We were widely condemned by Sheff Utd and Northampton fans who suggested the protests were disgraceful. They weren't, but they were pointless ultimately.

If there was one big mistake we made it was not creating a bigger fuss when Wasps arrived, but everyone was so blinded by their hatred for SISU they couldn't see the bigger picture at that point.

fatso · Dec 22, 2019

The trust couldn't protest their way out of a brown paper bag, completely fucking useless.
Infact they have now become part of the problem to most fans.

rob9872 · Dec 22, 2019

The trust are about as fit for purpose as our owners, Wasps, the council or the EFL. Simply another addition to the shitstorm that surrounds us, … and yet … we're 5th, 2 points from autos, have a great set of lads, a manager we're lucky to have in this situation and the possibility of both a return to our city and a promotion on the horizon. We can sit and dwell about all that's wrong or we can back the lads, enjoy the rollercoaster that is CCFC and perhaps ride on the coat tails of their success. Fk the trust along with all the others and enjoy a Sky Blue Christmas! PUSB!

robbiekeane · Dec 23, 2019

theferret said:
Can't agree with this. Blackpool, Charlton etc were all united behind a common enemy. The problem we've had for years is that we can't even agree about who we should be protesting about and to. The whole thing is a convuluted mess.

There have been a lot of protests, in our relegation season, we disrupted 4 games where players had to be taken off the pitch. It went well beyond placard waving on a number of occasions. What good did it do? None, because those protests were aimed at one party who were so detached from them it made no difference. We were widely condemned by Sheff Utd and Northampton fans who suggested the protests were disgraceful. They weren't, but they were pointless ultimately.

If there was one big mistake we made it was not creating a bigger fuss when Wasps arrived, but everyone was so blinded by their hatred for SISU they couldn't see the bigger picture at that point.

This 100%

PurpleBin · Dec 23, 2019

Is it possible to set up a seperate trust organisation?

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Dec 23, 2019

theferret said:
Can't agree with this. Blackpool, Charlton etc were all united behind a common enemy. The problem we've had for years is that we can't even agree about who we should be protesting about and to. The whole thing is a convuluted mess.

There have been a lot of protests, in our relegation season, we disrupted 4 games where players had to be taken off the pitch. It went well beyond placard waving on a number of occasions. What good did it do? None, because those protests were aimed at one party who were so detached from them it made no difference. We were widely condemned by Sheff Utd and Northampton fans who suggested the protests were disgraceful. They weren't, but they were pointless ultimately.

If there was one big mistake we made it was not creating a bigger fuss when Wasps arrived, but everyone was so blinded by their hatred for SISU they couldn't see the bigger picture at that point.

This.... can you imagine Leeds and Liverpool backing the council, and rolling the red carpet out to wasps?

SISU OUT is the long term goal - Short term we needed to get a foothold at the Ricoh.

fernandopartridge · Dec 23, 2019

I've always felt the Trust are about being seen to be involved in a struggle and the esteem that they think that brings them, rather than being interested in what's best for CCFC.

Strategically all over the place, caught between being a supporters' trust and a protest group.

DannyThomas_1981 · Dec 23, 2019

Not sure what's worst for the lads on the train.....being lifelong Villa fans or having the very deep misfortune of meeting Grendel.

Probably the latter.

Grendel · Dec 23, 2019

DannyThomas_1981 said:
Not sure what's worst for the lads on the train.....being lifelong Villa fans or having the very deep misfortune of meeting Grendel.

Probably the latter.

I showed them a few of your suck up posts - they thought you sounded like an utter wanker

DannyThomas_1981 · Dec 23, 2019

Grendel said:
I showed them a few of your suck up posts - they thought you sounded like an utter wanker

Who exactly am I 'sucking up' too? Genuinely interested in your response to this.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Dec 23, 2019

Some excellent posts on this thread. What we should be doing is what we can to stop people wanting to go to watch wasps in the first place.
We don't know if negotiations continue or not. If sisu have a plan to sit tight and wait 5-10 years before wasps might go under then that's completely unacceptable.
It's time we amassed thousands of supporters to make a human chain outside of the Ricoh at a wasps game and make our feelings known. No violence . No law breaking but create an environment that will put some wasps supporters off should we repeat it. .
If either wasps or sisu don't like it we would no doubt hear about it and perhaps the reasons why .
We need to raise the profile of our plight because the football world has forgotten.
Have we got enough supporters who care about the club to do this ? Yes we have but so far, apart from two big marches, all I've seen is half arsed demos involving a few dozen fans. I can't think of any club as " big" as ours who's fans have done so little. The blame lies with those who put themselves forward as representative groups for the supporters. They're a disgrace.

PurpleBin · Dec 23, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Some excellent posts on this thread. What we should be doing is what we can to stop people wanting to go to watch wasps in the first place.
We don't know if negotiations continue or not. If sisu have a plan to sit tight and wait 5-10 years before wasps might go under then that's completely unacceptable.
It's time we amassed thousands of supporters to make a human chain outside of the Ricoh at a wasps game and make our feelings known. No violence . No law breaking but create an environment that will put some wasps supporters off should we repeat it. .
If either wasps or sisu don't like it we would no doubt hear about it and perhaps the reasons why .
We need to raise the profile of our plight because the football world has forgotten.
Have we got enough supporters who care about the club to do this ? Yes we have but so far, apart from two big marches, all I've seen is half arsed demos involving a few dozen fans. I can't think of any club as " big" as ours who's fans have done so little. The blame lies with those who put themselves forward as representative groups for the supporters. They're a disgrace.

Lets do something for the next time Wasps are home on an International weekend? Maybe blocking the turnstiles might not be the answer as I suspect that would end up in violence but definitely something up there to create some sort of scene.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Dec 23, 2019

PurpleBin said:
Lets do something for the next time Wasps are home on an International weekend? Maybe blocking the turnstiles might not be the answer as I suspect that would end up in violence but definitely something up there to create some sort of scene.

It's difficult because no one wants violence or to be arrested but surely it'll piss wasps off if we motivated thousands to do it. They would perhaps retaliate by saying that by doing so we jeopardise talks to return the sky blues to the Ricoh. For me that would indicate they would be worried . They can't hold supporters to ransom .
So to whom do we put such radical suggestions to ? I've no idea.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Dec 23, 2019

Anyone tell me how many car parking spaces there are at the Ricoh arena. I have a very passive but possibly effective idea that could cause wasps supporters some inconvenience.

Irish Sky Blue · Dec 23, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Some excellent posts on this thread. What we should be doing is what we can to stop people wanting to go to watch wasps in the first place.
We don't know if negotiations continue or not. If sisu have a plan to sit tight and wait 5-10 years before wasps might go under then that's completely unacceptable.
It's time we amassed thousands of supporters to make a human chain outside of the Ricoh at a wasps game and make our feelings known. No violence . No law breaking but create an environment that will put some wasps supporters off should we repeat it. .
If either wasps or sisu don't like it we would no doubt hear about it and perhaps the reasons why .
We need to raise the profile of our plight because the football world has forgotten.
Have we got enough supporters who care about the club to do this ? Yes we have but so far, apart from two big marches, all I've seen is half arsed demos involving a few dozen fans. I can't think of any club as " big" as ours who's fans have done so little. The blame lies with those who put themselves forward as representative groups for the supporters. They're a disgrace.

Lots of ideas for protests have been put forward. Lots of protests have happened. It usually results in a barrage of derision from some of the posters on here. Twenty one of us turned up at a Wasps game at the end of last season. That was barely enough enough to form a chain around Jimmy Hill and the ‘Wasps shop’. The Trust should be doing more and should have Wasps and CCC in their sights too. For what ever reason that is not happening. Not aiming this at you at all, but I think a lot of posters are very quick to voice their opinions but are a lot less willing to actually do anything.

Grendel · Dec 23, 2019

Irish Sky Blue said:
Lots of ideas for protests have been put forward. Lots of protests have happened. It usually results in a barrage of derision from some of the posters on here. Twenty one of us turned up at a Wasps game at the end of last season. That was barely enough enough to form a chain around Jimmy Hill and the ‘Wasps shop’. The Trust should be doing more and should have Wasps and CCC in their sights too. For what ever reason that is not happening. Not aiming this at you at all, but I think a lot of posters are very quick to voice their opinions but are a lot less willing to actually do anything.

The trust have said they will never support a boycott is wasps?

Adge · Dec 23, 2019

It’s been said numerous times that there is no way fans of West Ham,Leeds,Villa et al would have maintained the status quo and acceptance that is Coventry City over the last decade.
People more bothered about “it put the players off” when in reality any dingbat could see that the half arsed team that went down to L2 were happy at any deflection it took away from their incompetence as footballers.
“The protests didn’t do any good” is another lazy response. Do we know what may have happened if they were organised properly and were more regular?
There is a saying that you reap what you sow.......

Grendel · Dec 23, 2019

Adge said:
It’s been said numerous times that there is no way fans of West Ham,Leeds,Villa et al would have maintained the status quo and acceptance that is Coventry City over the last decade.
People more bothered about “it put the players off” when in reality any dingbat could see that the half arsed team that went down to L2 were happy at any deflection it took away from their incompetence as footballers.
“The protests didn’t do any good” is another lazy response. Do we know what may have happened if they were organised properly and were more regular?
There is a saying that you reap what you sow.......

They weren’t protests against Wasps were they?

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Dec 23, 2019

Irish Sky Blue said:
Lots of ideas for protests have been put forward. Lots of protests have happened. It usually results in a barrage of derision from some of the posters on here. Twenty one of us turned up at a Wasps game at the end of last season. That was barely enough enough to form a chain around Jimmy Hill and the ‘Wasps shop’. The Trust should be doing more and should have Wasps and CCC in their sights too. For what ever reason that is not happening. Not aiming this at you at all, but I think a lot of posters are very quick to voice their opinions but are a lot less willing to actually do anything.

The idea of confrontation puts a lot of people off , understandably so.
This is why I asked about parking capacity at the Ricoh arena. Parking is difficult around the Arena, as we know. I've always parked opposite Longford Park, up Blackburn Road that runs up to the canal near the Ricoh itself. Its a fair treck to the Arena but it does get pretty full up there when we've got crowds over 10,000.
Parking at Tesco is a no go. Lots of roads are no parking on match days. This means that street parking is very limited.
We should take advantage of this. How many supporters or more specifically cars would it take to make parking off the Ricoh premises virtually impossible on Wasps match days ? Park up 90 mins before kick off and leave at kick off. No one would even know you supported CCFC and if so , so what ?. Do some shopping, go for a long walk. Go home at kick off time. No confrontation. Nothing illegal. Job done. Force Wasps fans to pay in the Arena Car Park or park miles away. It might give wasps more cash in the short term but it'll piss their supporters off and mean they are forking out far more on match days .
If the Area car parks hold 15,000 then i'm wasting my time. If it's significantly less then in principle it could cause chaos.
This might be hard to organise because it means supporters do not congregate in one area like at a rally and it probably needs coordinating via social media etc. However, we all know where we used to park and we usually park in the same place match by match. If we thwart this it could be very difficult for them to find alternative parking , with minimal effort from us except by parking our cars.

Adge · Dec 23, 2019

Grendel said:
They weren’t protests against Wasps were they?

At the time no. 3 parties who could still/should still be being held to account but guess what-nothing and as said previously people happy to bumble along and maintain the status quo even now knowing what has supposedly come to light.

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