Very good Guardian article

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Normally like reading the Guardian but that’s a hugely one-sided piece. Wasps and the council being “reasonable”. Give over. As everyone says, SISU have done a lot wrong, but so have the other parties and to then go and brand them reasonable is a complete and utter joke.
 

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Headline picture is of the Bristol fans, good following. Can’t be arsed to scroll down and read the article.
 
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Agreed its a one sided article however, it does tell the facts on what SISU have done, but Council and Wasps are not as saintly as it makes out.
 

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Sometimes it’s as much about what you don’t write, as what you do.
No mention of the Council lifting up its skirt to a London rugby club BEFORE the rent strike for example.

The City fans composed a more balanced article in the form of a song on Friday.
When did the relationship between CCC/ACL and Sisu sour? Prior to 2012 if you remember Cov fans kicking off in the Derby game. The negotiations back then were for ACL to acquire Wasps (under different ownership) rather than the other way round. The stadium needed a sitting tenant to ensure it wasn't a white elephant. Sisu's actions have proved the council right to preempt on this...

Buck stops with our owners. I hold to account the club owners and their corporate piracy more than any other party in this debacle. You'd have to be a confirmed Wibblester to think Seppala and her freehold ownership ambitions would be good Ricoh custodians....
 

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When did the relationship between CCC/ACL and Sisu sour? Prior to 2012 if you remember Cov fans kicking off in the Derby game. The negotiations back then were for ACL to acquire Wasps (under different ownership) rather than the other way round. The stadium needed a sitting tenant to ensure it wasn't a white elephant. Sisu's actions have proved the council right to preempt on this...

Buck stops with our owners. I hold to account the club owners and their corporate piracy more than any other party in this debacle. You'd have to be a confirmed Wibblester to think Seppala and her freehold ownership ambitions would be good Ricoh custodians....
You’d have to be a moron and hypocrite to think that an owner who has moved a club 100 miles from its home is a suitable custodian.
 

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You’d have to be a moron and hypocrite to think that an owner who has moved a club 100 miles from its home is a suitable custodian.
Ahh,but there's still an opportunity for the club to buy a half share. Are our owners prepared to do that?

Suppose it all boils down to envisaged outcomes as to when this all finally concludes. Some on here seem to thing Sisu gaining control of the Ricoh means club and stadia combined leads to a quick sale to more benevolent owners. I'd disagree. Think it far more likely they'd retain stadium ownership and sell the club thus at the mercy of any rent Sisu wishes to charge. You really wouldn't ever get rid of them then....
 

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Ahh,but there's still an opportunity for the club to buy a half share. Are our owners prepared to do that?

Suppose it all boils down to envisaged outcomes as to when this all finally concludes. Some on here seem to thing Sisu gaining control of the Ricoh means club and stadia combined leads to a quick sale to more benevolent owners. I'd disagree. Think it far more likely they'd retain stadium ownership and sell the club thus at the mercy of any rent Sisu wishes to charge. You really wouldn't ever get rid of them then....
Where’s it been said there’s the option of the half share on the table? Would it be a good idea to get into bed with a club whose owners actually moved it permanently away from its home? They’d be minimal chance of anyone agreeing to buy the club with SISU retaining ownership,much in the same way that it’s very difficult now to find serious buyers due to the constraints and playing second fiddle to a rugby club.
 

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Apparently SISU have 'no need' to move us to another ground, but he doesn't question why London Wasps moved to the Ricoh? It's always been all about the money for both of them.

And this bit was just laughable; 'Coventry city council’s approach has been upheld as proper and professional.'

As thousands singing on Friday showed, the resentment from us fans is against all parties. Conn's a clever guy and his article should accurately reflect this.
 

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I hate SISU I really do, but where is mention of the Escrow account and the leaked mail that suggests the council were talking to Wasps in 2012 ?!
 
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Where’s it been said there’s the option of the half share on the table? Would it be a good idea to get into bed with a club whose owners actually moved it permanently away from its home? They’d be minimal chance of anyone agreeing to buy the club with SISU retaining ownership,much in the same way that it’s very difficult now to find serious buyers due to the constraints and playing second fiddle to a rugby club.
Pretty sure they have stated (Wasps) that co-ownership is still an option. You're quite right, finding a buyer with Sisu as landlords would be tricky in the extreme, so then what? Do you think Sisu would run the club with any real care for it? Do you think Seppala would give up on her freehold ownership ambitions once she got a foothold? Not bothered about co-ownership with Wasps, indeed the shared running costs would be more financially viable, just really don't think it would be in their interests to upset the far bigger local football club once empowered with the half share.
 

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I hate to be cynical as there is a lot of truth in the article but I wonder how the stance towards the council would be if it wasn't Labour controlled
Completely agree. However I can assure you there are plenty of conservative leaning voters in Coventry who are 100% behind the council's stance regarding SISU. It seems to me it's just fashionable these days to blame parties other than SISU.
 
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Completely agree. However I can assure you there are plenty of conservative leaning voters in Coventry who are 100% behind the council's stance regarding SISU. It seems to me it's just fashionable these days to blame parties other than SISU.
More factual than fashionable.
 

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Pretty sure they have stated (Wasps) that co-ownership is still an option. You're quite right, finding a buyer with Sisu as landlords would be tricky in the extreme, so then what? Do you think Sisu would run the club with any real care for it? Do you think Seppala would give up on her freehold ownership ambitions once she got a foothold? Not bothered about co-ownership with Wasps, indeed the shared running costs would be more financially viable, just really don't think it would be in their interests to upset the far bigger local football club once empowered with the half share.
They haven’t said any such thing. They said greater co-operation which means greater payments for a few extra bits of revenue on ccfc match days
 

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Completely agree. However I can assure you there are plenty of conservative leaning voters in Coventry who are 100% behind the council's stance regarding SISU. It seems to me it's just fashionable these days to blame parties other than SISU.
Show me the glut of posts that blame anyone but SISU.
 
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A number of eminent judges have presided over this all have kicked the sisu case into touch, I’m sure their legal eagles will have mentioned all the possibles and probables concerning ccc, acl, Higgs Trust, Wasps and whoever else there might be, perhaps, just perhaps it’s down to sisu.
The law is an ass.
 

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This is not political, how many more times does this need saying.
I've never thought this dispute was political
And I hate big businesses, particularly vulture hedge funds
The world would be a better place if they didn't exist
I just feel that although the article is largely correct and is trying to support the fans and club it lessens the case by reading as though it was written by Councillor Duggins
 

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A number of eminent judges have presided over this all have kicked the sisu case into touch, I’m sure their legal eagles will have mentioned all the possibles and probables concerning ccc, acl, Higgs Trust, Wasps and whoever else there might be, perhaps, just perhaps it’s down to sisu.
Legally maybe. Morally?
 

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It sounds like the pr approach from the council of they have never done anything wrong because the judge says so.

Again, coincides with a few new typical social media accounts going into overdrive.

A fair few people seem to be questioning it.

He's another who along with the trust went balls deep in only one side being at fault all along so won't go back on that.
 

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Completely agree. However I can assure you there are plenty of conservative leaning voters in Coventry who are 100% behind the council's stance regarding SISU. It seems to me it's just fashionable these days to blame parties other than SISU.
Where's that then? Seems you don't like other parties being blamed for things along with sisu?
 

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Is this David Conn? He’s a one trick pony and will always vent his spleen on issues like this - he’s obsessed with supporter based ownership models and against big business ownership
 

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Good to see that strange orca fella and armybike are in full flow saying the council did nothing wrong. Did their internet break again.

The difference is now people can see straight through them as soon as they try it.
 
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Again, coincides with a few new typical social media accounts going into overdrive.
Whoever ukorca is seems to be getting a lot of exercise with the amount of jumping on people they're doing, as well as Lies Reid which I can only assume is the same person as all the other really shit accounts that don't know what parody is.
 

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Emailed David Conn to look into Sisu/Ranson not that long after they had taken over, as knew then(with aafew others, very few, though woukdnwo think it since) that they weren't going to be great for us to say the least.

No reply, or anything on them until far too late.

Now this totally one- sided article which makes out the council and Wasps are some sort of paragons of virtue?

He can get to fuck.
 

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Whoever ukorca is seems to be getting a lot of exercise with the amount of jumping on people they're doing, as well as Lies Reid which I can only assume is the same person as all the other really shit accounts that don't know what parody is.
Yeah the bloke involved with the council and trust who applauded wasps.

Pretty obvious really. 7 or 8 years ago it probably would have gone unnoticed though. They just keep using the same method.
 

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Pretty sure they have stated (Wasps) that co-ownership is still an option. You're quite right, finding a buyer with Sisu as landlords would be tricky in the extreme, so then what? Do you think Sisu would run the club with any real care for it? Do you think Seppala would give up on her freehold ownership ambitions once she got a foothold? Not bothered about co-ownership with Wasps, indeed the shared running costs would be more financially viable, just really don't think it would be in their interests to upset the far bigger local football club once empowered with the half share.
They'd most likely look to sell the club and their stake in the stadium together, especially if they had tried and failed to sell the club with them retaining ownership of the stadium. Wasps couldn't care less about us, we are a direct competitor to them, a successful CCFC would be detrimental to their ambitions. After all of the misleading around CCFC and CRFC, I can't believe that some fans still think that it would be a good idea to work with Wasps, especially as they are a club that moved their team away on a permanent basis. We would be better off waiting until the inevitable happens and they are no longer able to sustain themselves in Coventry.
 
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Yeah the bloke involved with the council and trust who applauded wasps.

Pretty obvious really. 7 or 8 years ago it probably would have gone unnoticed though. They just keep using the same method.
I'm genuinely impressed that they haven't replied to one of their own posts without forgetting to switch accounts first, but I bet it's coming.