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Otis · Jun 4, 2017

Sky News idiots!!!

Just interviewed Corbyn and he did the usual condolence speech about the tragedy etc.

Then though, the SN reporter talked of him doing well in the polls and asked if this incident helped him in anyway. 'You are doing well in the polls, do you think this is going to be a positive or negative for you?'

Scum.

Grendel · Jun 4, 2017

Otis said:
Sky News idiots!!!

Just interviewed Corbyn and he did the usual speech about the tragedy etc.

Then though, SN reporter talked of him doing well in the polls and asked if this incident helped him in anyway. 'You are doing well in the polls, do you think this is going to be a positive or negative for you?'

Scum.

It's politics.

Both parties will be discussing the very same thing I assure you.

martcov · Jun 4, 2017

Grendel said:
It is damage limitation but there has to be some response

Armed police is a must

The police have to be allowed a shoot to kill policy for people acting suspiciously

Immediate ban on immigration from certain countries

More importantly an immediate ban on visiting those countries and refusal of entry back into the U.K. If this is breached unless permission is given beforehand.

If there are 23,000 suspects then immediate passport withdrawal and a blanket travel ban for them and their immediate families.

Yeah great. Then we are like places such as Saudi.

It is more complicated than that.

I don't know either, but I wouldn't join them in effect.

Usually they turn out to be petty criminals who have been radicalized- some even in prison.

My targets would be the people responsible for the radicalization. Pull them out of society. If it needs a new law then fine. Someone must know who is getting at them in prison- separate these people and give them extra sentences.

Otis · Jun 4, 2017

Grendel said:
It's politics.

Both parties will be discussing the very same thing I assure you.

I am sure they will, but the press shouldn't be asking a question like this the morning after a terrible incident where 7 are dead and 48 injured.

Grendel · Jun 4, 2017

Otis said:
I am sure they will, but the press shouldn't be asking a question like this the morning after a terrible incident where 7 are dead and 48 injured.

Well as we are having a vote in 3 days time I would like to know what they will do - if one said arm the police with no restriction - fine by me.

Ian1779 · Jun 4, 2017

Grendel said:
More importantly an immediate ban on visiting those countries and refusal of entry back into the U.K. If this is breached unless permission is given beforehand.

This should have happened years ago. However I would extend it further and include politicians in the ban... no more trips selling weapons to people.

Nick · Jun 4, 2017

Otis said:
I am sure they will, but the press shouldn't be asking a question like this the morning after a terrible incident where 7 are dead and 48 injured.

The press are vermin, the same as turning up at people's houses when the people still don't know if their relatives are alive to get a story.

SkyblueBazza · Jun 4, 2017

Macca said:
That's pretty much it to be honest. Get used to it, look at the Middle East it's daily there and will be here. Too late now

It's a question of scale too though. The middle-east covers a vast area compared to our dot of an island. We are perhaps a more attractive target - such events are still very rare in the grand scheme of most of our daily lives.
It's awful, awful stuff...but they will not win. Even those put off doing stuff eventually start doing again in a fairly short space of time.
RIP the 7, rot in hell the 3

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SkyblueBazza · Jun 4, 2017

Macca said:
It is the fault of every govenment for 30 odd years.

Armed police everywhere? Yes please

Even back to those that divid the middle-east post WW2, creating Israel etc.
I'm sure examples could stretch much further back than that too.

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fernandopartridge · Jun 4, 2017

martcov said:
We have, together with Trump, just sold the people behind the hard line version of the religion of peace billions of dollars of weapons.

How many people are going to die in places like Yemen and even in Saudi itself when these weapons are used?

The time has come to slam into all religions. Each one justifies the other. If we talk about christian values we confirm that there is an invisible being in the sky who tells us how we should live. How can we say Allah is bullshit and still say we are a Christian nation? His wishes are just as bullshit as Christ's.

No to faith schools and no to arm sales to countries pushing religious adendas.

Blair talked to god about Iraq, May is guided by religious beliefs. Cut religion out of politics and rule based on what is best for the people living on the planet - not following the rules of fictitious beings. And no pseudo reiligous dogma as a substitute as in North Korea.

Absolutely spot on. Said similar to the missus last night. '#prayforlondon' - no, fuck prayer. It justifies believing in fairy stories.

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SkyblueBazza · Jun 4, 2017

clint van damme said:
Police appealing for anyone with any photos/videos to hand them in to help with their investigation. I understand they can help the police but who takes images of something like this.
It's not right if you ask me.

Some people can't resist an opportunity to grab attention for themselves, a badge of honour, others probably do it out of some mild/major shock reaction.

It's beyond me too - but then I have never been in their position so have no idea how I would react

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SkyblueBazza · Jun 4, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Start shutting down every Saudi funded Mosque for a start.

Which wouldn't upset the locals at all would it?
All we can say is that this type of thing is still only a very tiny proportion of those of Islamic faith.
The tide may well turn soon as I sense a growing attitude of "not in my God's name"! The Islamic community will begin to root them out more effectively.

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SkyblueBazza · Jun 4, 2017

clint van damme said:
Stop dealing with the Sauds full stop until they stop funding Wahhabist mosques, don't lift control orders on known Jihadists so they can go and fight in Libya or Syria giving them freedom of movement and freeing them from surveillance by the security services.

But when the IRA were being funded by the US...did we take action - yes...dialogue! And I am sure there are people feverishly working on all this. It just isn't easy to make progress because the hard-line there provably aren't those we can access

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SkyblueBazza · Jun 4, 2017

martcov said:
We have, together with Trump, just sold the people behind the hard line version of the religion of peace billions of dollars of weapons.

How many people are going to die in places like Yemen and even in Saudi itself when these weapons are used?

The time has come to slam into all religions. Each one justifies the other. If we talk about christian values we confirm that there is an invisible being in the sky who tells us how we should live. How can we say Allah is bullshit and still say we are a Christian nation? His wishes are just as bullshit as Christ's.

No to faith schools and no to arm sales to countries pushing religious adendas.

Blair talked to god about Iraq, May is guided by religious beliefs. Cut religion out of politics and rule based on what is best for the people living on the planet - not following the rules of fictitious beings. And no pseudo reiligous dogma as a substitute as in North Korea.

How to make it happen though? In virtually every country the power is with people who have religion as part of their agenda/influence or they cow-tow to those that do

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SkyblueBazza · Jun 4, 2017

Macca said:
you have to help yourself to a degree. Use common sense a bit asses risk and decide whether you want to take it. The top is off the bottle now, all about damage limitation now. You wouldn't get me in that shit hole London anymore for anything

Checkatrade final next year anyone?

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SkyblueBazza · Jun 4, 2017

Grendel said:
I'm not bring flippant but I really don't think singing Kumbaya round the camp fire will work.

Not being flippant either G...but what do you suggest? Invading the 'homelands' hasn't worked either, just exacerbated & bought the problem here. Should we put certain sections of cities/towns under martial law? Tag every Muslim?
Nothing will work overnight apart from a 'final solution' effort. Dialogue over a prolonged length of time (decades) can be the only answer imo

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Otis · Jun 4, 2017

Grendel said:
Well as we are having a vote in 3 days time I would like to know what they will do - if one said arm the police with no restriction - fine by me.

Not the question though was it. They asked that as a result of the terrorist attack yesterday was it a positive for Corbyn and the Labour party.

Crass, insensitive and unprofessional in my opinion.

clint van damme · Jun 4, 2017

SkyblueBazza said:
But when the IRA were being funded by the US...did we take action - yes...dialogue! And I am sure there are people feverishly working on all this. It just isn't easy to make progress because the hard-line there provably aren't those we can access

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the difference with the IRA and ETA and the like is they had a clear objective whether people agreed with it or not. Islamists don't seem to have a clear objective other than a hatred of Shia muslims and the west and the destruction of both.

SkyblueBazza · Jun 4, 2017

My thoughts in brackets...

Grendel said:
It is damage limitation but there has to be some response

Armed police is a must (Central London armed units 8 mins response time tgt...took 2mins last night)

The police have to be allowed a shoot to kill policy for people acting suspiciously (Including yourself hovering outside the porn ship? )

Immediate ban on immigration from certain countries (When was the last non-UK born/resident responsible? You would miss any day-tripper coming in on such specific business working with those already here preparing the ground)

More importantly an immediate ban on visiting those countries and refusal of entry back into the U.K. If this is breached unless permission is given beforehand (Not the worst idea...but can fly in & out of many airports that are just a few hrs drive from the training camps - how do we police that?)

If there are 23,000 suspects then immediate passport withdrawal and a blanket travel ban for them and their immediate families. (Passport withdrawal is something they do with football fans...although, why do we want to keep them here? Cancel the passports after they leave the country
. How do you impose a travel ban internally? And why their immediate families???)

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SkyblueBazza · Jun 4, 2017

Nick said:
Police don't want to shoot, there was a met documentary the other day and there is so much red tape, paper work, murder charges etc they really don't want to.

They have already been advised to shoot first in suspected terror scenarios...hence I think 3 shot no questions asked last night

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Sky Blue Harry H · Jun 4, 2017

Awful that these people have this mindset - the impact in terms of numbers is irrelevant in achieving anything (although it's dreadful for family and friends caught up in it) - more people born in this country each day than will ever be eradicated by these means. The iss

Grendel said:
Well as we are having a vote in 3 days time I would like to know what they will do - if one said arm the police with no restriction - fine by me.

Wouldn't have stopped anything. though? Don't know about you, but I always feel more edgy seeing armed police, rather than more relaxed or safe. No problem with police shooting terrorists, though.

fernandopartridge · Jun 4, 2017

SkyblueBazza said:
Which wouldn't upset the locals at all would it?
All we can say is that this type of thing is still only a very tiny proportion of those of Islamic faith.
The tide may well turn soon as I sense a growing attitude of "not in my God's name"! The Islamic community will begin to root them out more effectively.

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Who gives a fuck? People going to Saudi funded mosques listening to wahhabist preaching are part of the problem. If they want to hear that they should go and live in Saudi where stone-aged belief is the norm.

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Nick · Jun 4, 2017

Could maybe start by getting people who think like this and shipping them off to Islamic Countries which is what they want, isn't it?

That's if that guy is actually real, but there will be lots of people with that mindset.

Sick Boy · Jun 4, 2017

fernandopartridge said:
Who gives a fuck? People going to Saudi funded mosques listening to wahhabist preaching are part of the problem. If they want to hear that they should go and live in Saudi where stone-aged belief is the norm.

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Hear hear!!!

martcov · Jun 4, 2017

Nick said:
Police don't want to shoot, there was a met documentary the other day and there is so much red tape, paper work, murder charges etc they really don't want to.

They did though- killed 3 wankers without killing any innocent people. I prefer that to the situation in the states which gave rise to black lives matter.

RegTheDonk · Jun 4, 2017

Otis said:
Not the question though was it. They asked that as a result of the terrorist attack yesterday was it a positive for Corbyn and the Labour party.

Crass, insensitive and unprofessional in my opinion.

Yes, definately the way it came across was like well, 6 people have been killed but that helps you're more funds for the police doesn't it? The girl didn't say it, but she was clearly hoping for Corbyn to mention public sector cuts.

On the other side of the coin, May has been pretty decisive outside number 10 - "enough is enough" - rather than wallow in oh its a shame, those poor people, she seems to be savvy enough to grab the situation by the nuts and give a positive response which can't hurt her stance.

Sick Boy · Jun 4, 2017

RegTheDonk said:
Yes, definately the way it came across was like well, 6 people have been killed but that helps you're more funds for the police doesn't it? The girl didn't say it, but she was clearly hoping for Corbyn to mention public sector cuts.

On the other side of the coin, May has been pretty decisive outside number 10 - "enough is enough" - rather than wallow in oh its a shame, those poor people, she seems to be savvy enough to grab the situation by the nuts and give a positive response which can't hurt her stance.

She is a hypocrite. She should release the recent investigation into Saudi funding of these vile twats

RegTheDonk · Jun 4, 2017

martcov said:
They did though- killed 3 wankers without killing any innocent people. I prefer that to the situation in the states which gave rise to black lives matter.

Trained coppers shooting the right people. West Mids has, I believe, up to 5 armed response cars on patrol during core hours. I'd rather they put money into more of this kind of reponse, we need more of this kind of trained professionals so they can respond quick. Just giving your average plod a gun would be a disaster - I wouldn't trust some of them using the CS spray, let alone anything lethal.

martcov · Jun 4, 2017

Nick said:
Could maybe start by getting people who think like this and shipping them off to Islamic Countries which is what they want, isn't it?

That's if that guy is actually real, but there will be lots of people with that mindset.

No. He doesn't want to go to Saudi, he wants the U.K. to become another Saudi.

That's hate speech. Have we laws against that?

Nick · Jun 4, 2017

Also, they keep going on about "dont let this affect us", "they wont win" and "stand together". Yet they circulate this

Exactly what you should be looking and thinking at when going for a beer with your mates on a Saturday night. That's showing ISIS again.

Sky Blue Harry H · Jun 4, 2017

Nick said:
Could maybe start by getting people who think like this and shipping them off to Islamic Countries which is what they want, isn't it?

That's if that guy is actually real, but there will be lots of people with that mindset.

Hope they are all as intelligent as this guy (if he is real). He'll get traced quickly. Think it is dangerous thinking that there are 'lots' with this mindset. One is too many, but the vast vast majority abhor this view and these actions. Thinking everyone is the enemy will only exacerbate the problem and actually help create what these twats want - which is division.

Grendel · Jun 4, 2017

Sick Boy said:
She is a hypocrite. She should release the recent investigation into Saudi funding of these vile twats

Thought she came across extremely well.

Nick · Jun 4, 2017

martcov said:
No. He doesn't want to go to Saudi, he wants the U.K. to become another Saudi.

That's hate speech. Have we laws against that?

You would think so, but that's my point. People want this country to become Saudi, ship them out there and refuse them entry.

They want that life, let them go get it.

Sick Boy · Jun 4, 2017

Grendel said:
Thought she came across extremely well.

What a surprise.

Nick · Jun 4, 2017

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Hope they are all as intelligent as this guy (if he is real). He'll get traced quickly. Think it is dangerous thinking that there are 'lots' with this mindset. One is too many, but the vast vast majority abhor this view and these actions. Thinking everyone is the enemy will only exacerbate the problem and actually help create what these twats want - which is division.

I'm not saying everybody is the enemy and there will be a majority percentage of people who are 100% against it.

Let's not pretend it will be 1 or 2 people with that mindset though.

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