USSR invades Ukraine. (10 Viewers)

[tisza]

china doesn't want the west shifting their supply lines to other developing countries

Not just that. China making massive investments in Africa and the like to expand their influence and gain control of land, food production and minerals for their consumption.

 

[David O'Day]

Not just that. China making massive investments in Africa and the like to expand their influence and gain control of land, food production and minerals for their consumption.

Yep but I'm just mentioning what the west can do if they side with Russia

 

[skybluetony176]

Generally accepted by both sides that a nuclear war is mutually assured destruction.
China only winners as they'll pop across the empty Russian border to help themselves to the energy sources

There was a big research piece done only a few years ago to try and find the definitive number of nuclear bombs to basically fuck the world and it’s reckoned that about 100 will do it. Basically if you fired 100 warheads to the other side of the the world it will do enough damage to the world it’s going to adversely effect your country even though you’re on the opposite side of the world. There’s about 19000 nuclear warheads in the world, the majority are Russias and the USA’s, we have about 200. If Russia launch there’s the world’s fucked, it won’t even take retaliative strikes to achieve it.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Why are the west still importing Russian oil?

Disgraceful really...... but not surprising! Cunts are still running the world.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Yeah it's madness that anyone thinks their will be Nuclear War.

If Russia attacks NATO then NATO will defend NATO. NATO/The USA have said this.

If NATO doesn't defend a member state then it ceases to exist.

I disagree and I think none of us can possibly know. It's not madness to believe it is possible and in fact to act without taking the risk into account would be reckless. In fact the word reckless doesn't even get close to expressing it.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It's not , we can then negotiate with Russia.

I'm not sure starting a global war with Russia is the way forward , its could end up with their allies falling back onto their side .. like China who would see an opportunity to become the world superpower

Ukraine doesn’t need to surrender. Even if Russia succeeds its initial military objectives, they will need to maintain an occupying force that will almost certainly face a determined Ukrainian insurgency.

At this point, NATO needn’t get involved. Russia has succeeded in pushing NATO members to increase defence spending as well as pushing neutral states such as Sweden and Finland towards joining NATO after the war. All the while, the Russian economy looks like it’s going to tank.

At this point, it seems like Russia has made a blunder geopolitically.

 

[tisza]

Why are the west still importing Russian oil?

Disgraceful really...... but not surprising! Cunts are still running the world.

Not oil. Gas as well ( some EU countries 100% reliant on Russian gas). Paying a premium now due to conflict pushing prices up. Immediate problem there are no alternative suppliers due to long-term contracts.

 

[Grendel]

Ukraine doesn’t need to surrender. Even if Russia succeeds its initial military objectives, they will need to maintain an occupying force that will almost certainly face a determined Ukrainian insurgency.

At this point, NATO needn’t get involved. Russia has succeeded in pushing NATO members to increase defence spending as well as pushing neutral states such as Sweden and Finland towards joining NATO after the war. All the while, the Russian economy looks like it’s going to tank.

At this point, it seems like Russia has made a blunder geopolitically.

spot on its Afghanistan mark 2 - it’s going to last a while but the notion they can roll through Eastern Europe is farcical

 

[Marty]

There was a big research piece done only a few years ago to try and find the definitive number of nuclear bombs to basically fuck the world and it’s reckoned that about 100 will do it. Basically if you fired 100 warheads to the other side of the the world it will do enough damage to the world it’s going to adversely effect your country even though you’re on the opposite side of the world. There’s about 19000 nuclear warheads in the world, the majority are Russias and the USA’s, we have about 200. If Russia launch there’s the world’s fucked, it won’t even take retaliative strikes to achieve it.

Would it even need that many? One or two strategic sites could be enough? When Fukushima happened, I remember seeing nuclear power plant experts talking about moving their families into the southern hemisphere as if the rods? Collided with each other the radiation in the North would hit unliveable levels almost

 

[shmmeee]

I understand the argument of "do something now whatever it takes" , but I feel its driven by emotion and not sense

I feel the same about “stick your fingers in your ears and hope he goes away” TBH

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

So we do that for Estonia but let Ukraine go? Sorry just not getting it

Well, Ukraine isn’t a NATO member and Estonia is. The West also left it too late to send personnel so now actively sending the military to Ukraine would be an act of war. Whereas, had this been done before the invasion, it would be Russia who was the aggressor against NATO.

If Russia attacks the Baltic’s, its attacking US, Canadian and British forces (and the rest) that are stationed there.

 

[tisza]

Ukraine doesn’t need to surrender. Even if Russia succeeds its initial military objectives, they will need to maintain an occupying force that will almost certainly face a determined Ukrainian insurgency.

At this point, NATO needn’t get involved. Russia has succeeded in pushing NATO members to increase defence spending as well as pushing neutral states such as Sweden and Finland towards joining NATO after the war. All the while, the Russian economy looks like it’s going to tank.

At this point, it seems like Russia has made a blunder geopolitically.

Russia already threatened Sweden and Finland with military repercussions if they join NATO.
Sweden used the same argument as Ukraine that as an independent sovereign nation it had the right to make its own decisions.

 

[PVA]

Temperatures in Kiev are dropping in the coming days, that Russian convoy is going to suffer even more from a lack of fuel.

 

[David O'Day]

I disagree and I think none of us can possibly know. It's not madness to believe it is possible and in fact to act without taking the risk into account would be reckless. In fact the word reckless doesn't even get close to expressing it.

you are wrong

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Russia already threatened Sweden and Finland with military repercussions if they join NATO.
Sweden used the same argument as Ukraine that as an independent sovereign nation it had the right to make its own decisions.

These states absolutely have the right to break away from the Russian orbit. If Russia was a reliable and friendly nation, there wouldn’t be a need for these countries to join NATO.

Georgia and Ukraine accelerated their NATO bids following 2008 and 2014 respectively and likewise, the remaining neutral Scandinavian countries are following suit.

Russia’s aggression is pushing states to NATO, then complaining said states are joining NATO. It’s just not a tenable argument that NATO is the aggressor here.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Temperatures in Kiev are dropping in the coming days, that Russian convoy is going to suffer even more from a lack of fuel.

So are the poor people in Kiev

 

[Deleted member 9744]

you are wrong

Thank you, I feel so informed now.

 

[Otis]

spot on its Afghanistan mark 2 - it’s going to last a while but the notion they can roll through Eastern Europe is farcical

Putin is a clever man, so you can only think he is starting to lose the plot.

 

[skybluetony176]

Would it even need that many? One or two strategic sites could be enough? When Fukushima happened, I remember seeing nuclear power plant experts talking about moving their families into the southern hemisphere as if the rods? Collided with each other the radiation in the North would hit unliveable levels almost

It depends on the size of the warhead. There’s a lot of countries IIRC from the article about the research have tactical nukes. For example India and Pakistan, they only really have them as a deterrent against each other so are small in (Hiroshima size I think) and they don’t have that many of them. It’s the ones we, France, Russia, China and the US have that have the big payloads. I think the 100 number was based on the average payload so in that case you may be right, it won’t take 100 if we’re talking about the intercontinental ones.

 

[Grendel]

Putin is a clever man, so you can only think he is starting to lose the plot.

Well some US intelligence said they believe he looks like he’s on steroids — he could be terminally ill - he is a Stalinist but I’m reassured as when he puts his hand on the arsenal and his generals look on he changes his mind and announces to the world he was influenced by David O Drivel on SBT

 

[David O'Day]

Thank you, I feel so informed now.

you think a military alliance that has said it will protect it's members if one is attacked by russia and have been increases troops in eastern europe won't defend a member if attacked by russia

 

[David O'Day]

"Now, Boeing, the American aerospace company, has announced it is suspending “major operations” in Moscow, as well as “parts, maintenance, and technical support services for Russian airlines,”

 

[Deleted member 7943]

I feel the same about “stick your fingers in your ears and hope he goes away” TBH

Fair enough , I'm staying on my PC playing fifa though when it goes tits up

 

[xcraigx]

Huge numbers if true, but I think news from both sides needs to be taken with a bucket full of salt. Hopefully some video will emerge backing up those claims.

 

[PVA]

Huge numbers if true, but I think news from both sides needs to be taken with a bucket full of salt. Hopefully some video will emerge backing up those claims.

I suppose it doesn't actually say 800 units were destroyed, but yeah that definitely sounds like an exaggeration!

 

[xcraigx]

Big numbers again, but at least there is drone footage to back it up to some extent, although is that Ukraine? It could be anywhere at any time really. I've seen recycled footage from other conflicts that have been passed off as current.

 

[Deleted member 7943]

Even the former NATO secretary General saying its not a good idea for NATO to get directly involved militarily .. and they will only get involved should he attack a NATO country or push further if putin succeeds in Ukraine..

In his words " it would start WW3"

 

[PVA]

Big numbers again, but at least there is drone footage to back it up to some extent, although is that Ukraine? It could be anywhere at any time really. I've seen recycled footage from other conflicts that have been passed off as current.

I'm pretty sure that's a 'compilation' of drone attacks so far. It's definitely not all one drone attacking one convoy.

I'm not sure 96 tanks have been destroyed in the whole conflict, never mind in one convoy.

 

[RegTheDonk]

So we do that for Estonia but let Ukraine go? Sorry just not getting it

We have a treaty and an obligation with Estonia.

So you know more then every western leader?

Would love us to be able to take a more positive and direct stance but the fact Boris, Biden and allies haven't shows they do know more then some here. Its a shit sandwich but head rules heart at the moment.

 

[tisza]

I'm pretty sure that's a 'compilation' of drone attacks so far. It's definitely not all one drone attacking one convoy.

I'm not sure 96 tanks have been destroyed in the whole conflict, never mind in one convoy.

One of those definitely a train

 

[fernandopartridge]

Must be the most expensive chocolate bar in the world.


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War time hyperinflation for you

 

[fernandopartridge]

ooft!



remember when I was saying London was a clearing house for illegal money, that the tories were balls deep in dodgy Russian cash and named a couple of high profile western assets, got a few laughing emojis!!

A fucking Tory talking about it, that said the former lotp mentioned this kind of thing a fair bit

 

[fernandopartridge]

So is it a sorry 45m ukraines you’re on your own sorry. Wow

Yes, because it's better than many many many more people affected by a nuclear war

 

[Liquid Gold]

The outcome I see most likely is that Russia eventually take Kyiv after much heavier losses and harder fighting than they would have liked.

Zelinsky or another lot form a government in exile somewhere and urge the the population to continue fighting and it turns into an Afghanistan/Vietnam.

Russia's economy will be annihilated and someone high up in their government will get the army on side and move him out of the way.

They then negotiate with the west for free and fair elections in Ukraine provided Crimea and Donbas are recognised as part of Russia.

Then it all calms down and nobody learns their lessons about dirty money and dictators until it kicks off again somewhere else.

 

[Otis]

The outcome I see most likely is that Russia eventually take Kyiv after much heavier losses and harder fighting than they would have liked.

Zelinsky or another lot form a government in exile somewhere and urge the the population to continue fighting and it turns into an Afghanistan/Vietnam.

Russia's economy will be annihilated and someone high up in their government will get the army on side and move him out of the way.

They then negotiate with the west for free and fair elections in Ukraine provided Crimea and Donbas are recognised as part of Russia.

Then it all calms down and nobody learns their lessons about dirty money and dictators until it kicks off again somewhere else.

Yup. I have Liz Truss marked down as the next despot.