USSR invades Ukraine. (4 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

Bloody extinction rebellion.

 

[Grendel]

Good to see he’s found a way to get in on tbe act

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[Grendel]

As far as stating the nuclear forces are now on alert , they always are so Putin is telling us nothing we already know.
I'm hoping that ultimately it's not his decision whether to launch nuclear missiles . He may be leader of Russia, but surely the Russians have in place a mechanism to thwart a madman who's in command.

in the soviet days there was a Kremlin hierarchy so it was never just Brezhnev - Putin has simplified the process so yes it’s just him

 

[Grendel]

I hope to hell the Western powers send massive military hardware to the other countries at risk right now in preparation to Ukraine eventually being overpowered. I see no alternative . It's right that we do not go into Ukraine and risk a huge European war but beyond that if Putin wishes to inflict this hell on another country I'm afraid we must act.

It would be madness to engage militarily and the West won’t unless there is an infringement into NATO territory

I’m sure someone on here said once the Russian economy collapses then Putin woukd surrender - I’m sure he’s preparing the white flag he looks the sort of guy who will admit defeat

 

[Philosoraptor]

Got to love the way the Russians have turned on their blue lights. Don't think the population cares.

 

[Grendel]

If that's true then there's got to be a chance someone will try to overthrow him and / or stick a bullet in his head.

pretty naive that. Hitler and Stalin had plenty of enemies but dictators rule by fear. You don’t know who his friends are or his enemies and so you say nothing to no one

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It would be madness to engage militarily and the West won’t unless there is an infringement into NATO territory

I’m sure someone on here said once the Russian economy collapses then Putin woukd surrender - I’m sure he’s preparing the white flag he looks the sort of guy who will admit defeat

Poland 39? Madness? I don’t think so

 

[Grendel]

Poland 39? Madness? I don’t think so

we had a treaty with Poland and Putin really has little vision to invade all of Europe with an Ayrian ideology

hitler also didn’t have a nuclear arsenal ready to go

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

we had a treaty with Poland and Putin really has little vision to invade all of Europe with an Ayrian ideology

hitler also didn’t have a nuclear arsenal ready to go

So is it a sorry 45m ukraines you’re on your own sorry. Wow

 

[wingy]

Bloody extinction rebellion.

Get round there and puncture his fucking tyres.

 

[Grendel]

So is it a sorry 45m ukraines you’re on your own sorry. Wow

There are Muslims in China subjected to murder, torture, rape and sterilisation- are they less worthy to you?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There are Muslims in China subjected to murder, torture, rape and sterilisation- are they less worthy to you?

Nope

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Nope

Classic whataboutery though

 

[skybluetony176]

There are Muslims in China subjected to murder, torture, rape and sterilisation- are they less worthy to you?

How can such a little man make such giant leaps.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There are Muslims in China subjected to murder, torture, rape and sterilisation- are they less worthy to you?

Also you know this is completely different. You’re content knowing we could stop this to stand back and say here’s a few guns you’re on your own. You’re not in our club so we can’t stop the aggressor ffs

 

[Grendel]

Nope

Also using dramatic analogues is rather childish. We defeated Hitler partly as we sucked ionti a brutal dictator who slaughtered millions of his own oriole did we not?

 

[Grendel]

Also you know this is completely different. You’re content knowing we could stop this to stand back and say here’s a few guns you’re on your own. You’re not in our club so we can’t stop the aggressor ffs

its the real world - and it’s only of interest to us as Ukraine is in Europe - if it was an African dictator no one would do a thing. I

 

[skybluetony176]

A Ukrainian general made a good point just on C4 news. It’s Ukrainian air space, Russia is violating it. Technically and historically it doesn’t constitute a no fly zone as no fly zones have been used to stop caliphates flying in there own airspace to attack their own land and people.

 

[Grendel]

Classic whataboutery though

Whataboutery when we compare Russia to China lol

 

[tisza]

its the real world - and it’s only of interest to us as Ukraine is in Europe - if it was an African dictator no one would do a thing. I

You're 100% confident NATO membership is the ultimate guarantee so that Ukraine is the stopping point westwards?
Once Ukraine falls sanctions will finish, Putin will make no further demands?

 

[skybluetony176]

What a c**t

 

[clint van damme]

What a c**t

100 percent pure gammon!

 

[Grendel]

You're 100% confident NATO membership is the ultimate guarantee so that Ukraine is the stopping point westwards?
Once Ukraine falls sanctions will finish, Putin will make no further demands?

I think if he takes Ukraine the military and financial cost will be severe and the negotiation will be the removal of sanctions to relieve the Russian economy

 

[David O'Day]

How can such a little man make such giant leaps.

As I said just put him on ignore,

You're 100% confident NATO membership is the ultimate guarantee so that Ukraine is the stopping point westwards?
Once Ukraine falls sanctions will finish, Putin will make no further demands?

Sanctions aren't going to finsih anytime soon

 

[tisza]

I think if he takes Ukraine the military and financial cost will be severe and the negotiation will be the removal of sanctions to relieve the Russian economy

So he's offering what for the removal of sanctions?

 

[Grendel]

So he's offering what for the removal of sanctions?

Oddly enough I don’t know but my principal point is we only care as it’s on our doorstep and if it was say Africa no one would care about the country being destroyed so as we care we need to ensure we do not threaten ourselves

 

[tisza]

Oddly enough I don’t know but my principal point is we only care as it’s on our doorstep and if it was say Africa no one would care about the country being destroyed so as we care we need to ensure we do not threaten ourselves

Fair enough. It literally is on my doorstep. I'm a 2 hour tank ride from the border in one of the countries Putin has stated ( increasingly frequently) needs to be removed from NATO and returned to the Russian "sphere of influence".
what is your "line in the sand" that you feel needs to be crossed before UK should start to care or be ready to actions that could " threaten ourselves"?
the point about African states is a bit off in that African states probably aren't that interested in a European conflict.
Human nature is the closer it is to your doorstep then the more of interest it is to you?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What a c**t

Yep cxxt

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

100 percent pure gammon!

He knows we are talking about grandparents. And it’s a war ffs

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Fair enough. It literally is on my doorstep. I'm a 2 hour tank ride from the border in one of the countries Putin has stated ( increasingly frequently) needs to be removed from NATO and returned to the Russian "sphere of influence".
what is your "line in the sand" that you feel needs to be crossed before UK should start to care or be ready to actions that could " threaten ourselves"?
the point about African states is a bit off in that African states probably aren't that interested in a European conflict.
Human nature is the closer it is to your doorstep then the more of interest it is to you?

Wouldn’t have got involved in Second World War unless they were on our beaches it appears

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What a c**t

I would suggest he looks like a certain roast meat but that might offend some

 

[David O'Day]

Wouldn’t have got involved in Second World War unless they were on our beaches it appears

We will fight them ONLY on the beaches

 

[Grendel]

Wouldn’t have got involved in Second World War unless they were on our beaches it appears

Well it isn’t. Without googling whose Charles Taylor and why is he in Durham nick?

 

[Jamesimus]

Wouldn’t have got involved in Second World War unless they were on our beaches it appears

Yeah, but what about the other beaches, don't you care about them?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yeah, but what about the other beaches, don't you care about them?

I’m happy it’s different than the Second World War and other aggression has been allowed . I think I’m with shmmee if we are going to hit them hit them now and do it with overwhelming force