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USSR invades Ukraine. (17 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Feb 22, 2022
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,296
Bloody extinction rebellion.

 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,297
Good to see he’s found a way to get in on tbe act

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www.bbc.co.uk
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,298
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
As far as stating the nuclear forces are now on alert , they always are so Putin is telling us nothing we already know.
I'm hoping that ultimately it's not his decision whether to launch nuclear missiles . He may be leader of Russia, but surely the Russians have in place a mechanism to thwart a madman who's in command.
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in the soviet days there was a Kremlin hierarchy so it was never just Brezhnev - Putin has simplified the process so yes it’s just him
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,299
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
I hope to hell the Western powers send massive military hardware to the other countries at risk right now in preparation to Ukraine eventually being overpowered. I see no alternative . It's right that we do not go into Ukraine and risk a huge European war but beyond that if Putin wishes to inflict this hell on another country I'm afraid we must act.
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It would be madness to engage militarily and the West won’t unless there is an infringement into NATO territory

I’m sure someone on here said once the Russian economy collapses then Putin woukd surrender - I’m sure he’s preparing the white flag he looks the sort of guy who will admit defeat
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,300
Got to love the way the Russians have turned on their blue lights. Don't think the population cares.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,301
chiefdave said:
If that's true then there's got to be a chance someone will try to overthrow him and / or stick a bullet in his head.
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pretty naive that. Hitler and Stalin had plenty of enemies but dictators rule by fear. You don’t know who his friends are or his enemies and so you say nothing to no one
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,302
Grendel said:
It would be madness to engage militarily and the West won’t unless there is an infringement into NATO territory

I’m sure someone on here said once the Russian economy collapses then Putin woukd surrender - I’m sure he’s preparing the white flag he looks the sort of guy who will admit defeat
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Poland 39? Madness? I don’t think so
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,303
Sky Blue Pete said:
Poland 39? Madness? I don’t think so
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we had a treaty with Poland and Putin really has little vision to invade all of Europe with an Ayrian ideology

hitler also didn’t have a nuclear arsenal ready to go
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,304
Grendel said:
we had a treaty with Poland and Putin really has little vision to invade all of Europe with an Ayrian ideology

hitler also didn’t have a nuclear arsenal ready to go
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So is it a sorry 45m ukraines you’re on your own sorry. Wow
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,305
skybluetony176 said:
Bloody extinction rebellion.

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Get round there and puncture his fucking tyres.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,306
Sky Blue Pete said:
So is it a sorry 45m ukraines you’re on your own sorry. Wow
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There are Muslims in China subjected to murder, torture, rape and sterilisation- are they less worthy to you?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,307
Grendel said:
There are Muslims in China subjected to murder, torture, rape and sterilisation- are they less worthy to you?
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Nope
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,308
Sky Blue Pete said:
Nope
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Classic whataboutery though
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,309
Grendel said:
There are Muslims in China subjected to murder, torture, rape and sterilisation- are they less worthy to you?
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How can such a little man make such giant leaps.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,310
Grendel said:
There are Muslims in China subjected to murder, torture, rape and sterilisation- are they less worthy to you?
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Also you know this is completely different. You’re content knowing we could stop this to stand back and say here’s a few guns you’re on your own. You’re not in our club so we can’t stop the aggressor ffs
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,311
Sky Blue Pete said:
Nope
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Also using dramatic analogues is rather childish. We defeated Hitler partly as we sucked ionti a brutal dictator who slaughtered millions of his own oriole did we not?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,312
Sky Blue Pete said:
Also you know this is completely different. You’re content knowing we could stop this to stand back and say here’s a few guns you’re on your own. You’re not in our club so we can’t stop the aggressor ffs
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its the real world - and it’s only of interest to us as Ukraine is in Europe - if it was an African dictator no one would do a thing. I
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,313
A Ukrainian general made a good point just on C4 news. It’s Ukrainian air space, Russia is violating it. Technically and historically it doesn’t constitute a no fly zone as no fly zones have been used to stop caliphates flying in there own airspace to attack their own land and people.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,314
Sky Blue Pete said:
Classic whataboutery though
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Whataboutery when we compare Russia to China lol
 

tisza

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,315
Grendel said:
its the real world - and it’s only of interest to us as Ukraine is in Europe - if it was an African dictator no one would do a thing. I
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You're 100% confident NATO membership is the ultimate guarantee so that Ukraine is the stopping point westwards?
Once Ukraine falls sanctions will finish, Putin will make no further demands?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,316
What a c**t

 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,317
skybluetony176 said:
What a c**t

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100 percent pure gammon!
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,318
tisza said:
You're 100% confident NATO membership is the ultimate guarantee so that Ukraine is the stopping point westwards?
Once Ukraine falls sanctions will finish, Putin will make no further demands?
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I think if he takes Ukraine the military and financial cost will be severe and the negotiation will be the removal of sanctions to relieve the Russian economy
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,319
skybluetony176 said:
How can such a little man make such giant leaps.
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As I said just put him on ignore,
tisza said:
You're 100% confident NATO membership is the ultimate guarantee so that Ukraine is the stopping point westwards?
Once Ukraine falls sanctions will finish, Putin will make no further demands?
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Sanctions aren't going to finsih anytime soon
 

tisza

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,320
Grendel said:
I think if he takes Ukraine the military and financial cost will be severe and the negotiation will be the removal of sanctions to relieve the Russian economy
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So he's offering what for the removal of sanctions?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,321
tisza said:
So he's offering what for the removal of sanctions?
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Oddly enough I don’t know but my principal point is we only care as it’s on our doorstep and if it was say Africa no one would care about the country being destroyed so as we care we need to ensure we do not threaten ourselves
 

tisza

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,322
Grendel said:
Oddly enough I don’t know but my principal point is we only care as it’s on our doorstep and if it was say Africa no one would care about the country being destroyed so as we care we need to ensure we do not threaten ourselves
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Fair enough. It literally is on my doorstep. I'm a 2 hour tank ride from the border in one of the countries Putin has stated ( increasingly frequently) needs to be removed from NATO and returned to the Russian "sphere of influence".
what is your "line in the sand" that you feel needs to be crossed before UK should start to care or be ready to actions that could " threaten ourselves"?
the point about African states is a bit off in that African states probably aren't that interested in a European conflict.
Human nature is the closer it is to your doorstep then the more of interest it is to you?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,323
skybluetony176 said:
What a c**t

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Yep cxxt
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,324
clint van damme said:
100 percent pure gammon!
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He knows we are talking about grandparents. And it’s a war ffs
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,325
tisza said:
Fair enough. It literally is on my doorstep. I'm a 2 hour tank ride from the border in one of the countries Putin has stated ( increasingly frequently) needs to be removed from NATO and returned to the Russian "sphere of influence".
what is your "line in the sand" that you feel needs to be crossed before UK should start to care or be ready to actions that could " threaten ourselves"?
the point about African states is a bit off in that African states probably aren't that interested in a European conflict.
Human nature is the closer it is to your doorstep then the more of interest it is to you?
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Wouldn’t have got involved in Second World War unless they were on our beaches it appears
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,326
skybluetony176 said:
What a c**t

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I would suggest he looks like a certain roast meat but that might offend some
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,327
Sky Blue Pete said:
Wouldn’t have got involved in Second World War unless they were on our beaches it appears
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We will fight them ONLY on the beaches
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,328
Sky Blue Pete said:
Wouldn’t have got involved in Second World War unless they were on our beaches it appears
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Well it isn’t. Without googling whose Charles Taylor and why is he in Durham nick?
 

Jamesimus

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,329
Sky Blue Pete said:
Wouldn’t have got involved in Second World War unless they were on our beaches it appears
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Yeah, but what about the other beaches, don't you care about them?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #1,330
Jamesimus said:
Yeah, but what about the other beaches, don't you care about them?
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I’m happy it’s different than the Second World War and other aggression has been allowed . I think I’m with shmmee if we are going to hit them hit them now and do it with overwhelming force
 
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