USSR invades Ukraine. (14 Viewers)

Mucca Mad Boys said:

The Russian economy relies heavily on its gas/oil exports so that would've been a massive step to take. The West as a whole has given Ukraine just enough to sustain its war effort but never enough to win it.

Constant delays in getting equipment to Ukraine and so on whilst buying Russian gas and oil to fund its war in Ukraine.

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“A prince is also respected when he is either a true friend or a true enemy …When he declares himself in favour of one party against the other, without any reservation, this action will always be more advantageous than remaining neutral.”

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Mucca Mad Boys said:

What would you have done differently in response to the invasion?
From whose perspective?

In any case, a few things would’ve helped the Ukrainians:
- cut off economic ties with Russia in full
- don’t delay getting arms to Ukraine (Germany delayed shipments and at times blocked export of DE-supplied arms)
- quicker delivery of advanced weaponry
- allow Ukraine to use their equipment in Russian territory

The above often came too little, too late and it meant when Ukraine made a significant counter offensive, it never had the means to achieve victory.

Machiavelli put it quite well:

We’ve not been true friends to Ukraine.

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Brighton Sky Blue said:

Well from the Ukrainian perspective quite obviously. But yes I agree with those thoughts anyway.

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Mucca Mad Boys said:

My critique is that Europe and the US have allowed this conflict to become frozen. The possibility of a Ukrainian victory is remote.

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Mucca Mad Boys said:

My critique is that Europe and the US have allowed this conflict to become frozen. The possibility of a Ukrainian victory is remote.

Europe can pontificate about the peace plan being in Putin’s favour and so on but at this point, what is the alternative? Russia has ‘won’ the war and unless Ukraine can expel the Russian soldiers, will have to give up the occupied regions.

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Brighton Sky Blue said:

Well both sides have lost I think. The Russian objective of conquering Ukraine and deposing Zelensky hasn't been met, not even close, whereas Ukraine have failed to fully repel the invasion.

People including me who wanted a more forceful military response were told it would result in nuclear armageddon, so the next best thing was a stalemate to force Putin to the table. The only other option was to let him 'crack on with it' in the words of one poster. A peace where Ukraine concedes territory but the rest of it has NATO-equivalent protections against a future invasion is now the best it can hope for.

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