At this point I presume you think the West should just join the conflict?Jenkins has been talking appeasement shite since the war began.
How’s that going to save him face? His whole reasoning was to stop the expansion of NATO. Now you think he’s going to willingly accept the expansion of NATO to save face. You also seem to have mistaken him for a reasonable man, someone who can be negotiated with.Well, he’s kind of brought it on himself and it’s why negotiations will take place that allow him to save face. Unfortunately, the alternative is a never ending conflict.
At this point I presume you think the West should just join the conflict?
How long are you going to poke the bear before it bites?No but they should give Ukraine what they need and lift the restrictions on what Ukraine can do with western weapons.
It's been nearly a month now since the last easing of restrictions which one poster in here assured us was a definite red line for Russia and would result in WW3 or tactical nukes or something and yet...nothing.
How long are you going to poke the bear before it bites?
Are you even aware of what Putin has done in recent days And how dangerous the situation has become?
When you’re posting Simon Jenkins to back up your arguments it’s time for a break really. The man is famous for being wrong about everything.
Considering he controls the media it could easily be spun into a positive:How’s that going to save him face? His whole reasoning was to stop the expansion of NATO. Now you think he’s going to willingly accept the expansion of NATO to save face. You also seem to have mistaken him for a reasonable man, someone who can be negotiated with.
Ukraine needs greater numbers of soldiers which would require the West to join the conflict.No but they should give Ukraine what they need and lift the restrictions on what Ukraine can do with western weapons.
It's been nearly a month now since the last easing of restrictions which one poster in here assured us was a definite red line for Russia and would result in WW3 or tactical nukes or something and yet...nothing.
I personally think that Putin is desperate for a deal imminently before Starmer comes to power. Quaking in his boots at being forensically examined.Ukraine needs greater numbers of soldiers which would require the West to join the conflict.
I said a while ago that’s inevitable that the stalemate will end with negotiations and that Ukraine ran the risk of entering them in a worse position that what it was months ago.
The strong likelihood of Trump getting back in and Le Pen’s party winning in France make it even more likely now. Then there’s Meloni who somehow has become key in Europe and who, IMO, has played it pragmatically so far but will eventually show her true colours.
The notion that it’s always been up to Ukraine to decide if and when there should be negotiations has always been questionable at best. It’ll essentially be either you sign this or you’re on your own.
Oh I do hope so at least with the Tories, let's get to the bottom of this corruption lark!! Follow the state's in every way, while popping off to Italy for lessons!I personally think that Putin is desperate for a deal imminently before Starmer comes to power. Quaking in his boots at being forensically examined.
On a more serious note, we are looking at the following being in charge:Oh I do hope so at least with the Tories, let's get to the bottom of this corruption lark!! Follow the state's in every way, while popping off to Italy for lessons!
That Yanis fella,the Greek has a theory about modern day feudalism.On a more serious note, we are looking at the following being in charge:
Trump
Starmer
Le Pen
Meloni
Modi
Putin
How did it get to that?
Starmer is going to put him on noticeI personally think that Putin is desperate for a deal imminently before Starmer comes to power. Quaking in his boots at being forensically examined.
As a past Starmer once said to the last leader of the USSR, ‘Mr Putin, your wall may or may not have failed to comply with planning regulations. Following a 5 year inquiry, you may be forced to remove several bricks up to and including 20% of the overall structure’.Starmer is going to put him on notice
But that doesn't mean it will be effective.It seems as though what I’ve been saying for a while isn’t some kind of pro-Putin extremist view - Negotiated outcome most likely result of Russia-Ukraine war, major poll says
It seems as though what I’ve been saying for a while isn’t some kind of pro-Putin extremist view - Negotiated outcome most likely result of Russia-Ukraine war, major poll says
I don’t think I’ve ever said it would be the best outcome, other than saving further loss of life.Thinking a negotiated deal is the most likely outcome is not pro Putin, nobody has ever said that.
There’s a big difference between thinking a deal is the most likely outcome and thinking a deal is the best outcome.
I addressed this last week. It would end up being something he could sell as a victory, which would be territory gained and a guarantee of Ukraine never joining NATO. In reality there would be conditions that another invasion would draw others into a war, something I doubt even he would do.But that doesn't mean it will be effective.
If I thought it would have the desired outcome of course I'd be all for it. But it won't. Putin will just spend a couple of years re-arming then invade again.
Fair enough if that's what you think. I don't. I think he'd believe that we wouldn't get involved again. If you're talking about some sort of agreement whereby if he invades again we are duty bound to get involved, isn't that basically NATO? Which he won't accept.I addressed this last week. It would end up being something he could sell as a victory, which would be territory gained and a guarantee of Ukraine never joining NATO. In reality there would be conditions that another invasion would draw others into a war, something I doubt even he would do.
Yes it is basically NATO but it’s also something that he can sell at home as a victory; it’s not as though the country has a free press.Fair enough if that's what you think. I don't. I think he'd believe that we wouldn't get involved again. If you're talking about some sort of agreement whereby if he invades again we are duty bound to get involved, isn't that basically NATO? Which he won't accept.
Any agreement that he would find agreeable would just embolden him to try again.
Nobody said there wasn’t corruption just disagreed with the implication it means we should let Ukraine fall.This was an interesting link just below - Ukraine too CORRUPT to join NATO, US says, in major blow to Zelensky
As I said before it needs to get to the point where Russia is too weak to do it all again in a few years (like you know, has already happened 3 times) so the west will throw money and weapons at the situation until then.It seems as though what I’ve been saying for a while isn’t some kind of pro-Putin extremist view - Negotiated outcome most likely result of Russia-Ukraine war, major poll says
Nobody said there wasn’t corruption just disagreed with the implication it means we should let Ukraine fall.
Can you point out where someone has implied that? Personally, I don’t think it should join the EU but haven’t said anything about NATO or it being a reason for it to fall.Nobody said there wasn’t corruption just disagreed with the implication it means we should let Ukraine fall.
Your scenario is unlikely to happen if there’s a change of government in the USA.As I said before it needs to get to the point where Russia is too weak to do it all again in a few years (like you know, has already happened 3 times) so the west will throw money and weapons at the situation until then.
It’s been one of Grendels main arguments as justification to why the west shouldn’t help. There’s multiple posts in this thread.Can you point out where someone has implied that? Personally, I don’t think it should join the EU but haven’t said anything about NATO or it being a reason for it to fall.
Correct. Another reason to keep Trump out.Your scenario is unlikely to happen if there’s a change of government in the USA.
Mate, whare is the evidence of bombing?Fuck sake what a gut wrenching picture.
This after Russia bombed a children's hospital.
That headline could just of easily of read "patients take advantage of good weather to get treatment outside in the sunshine"
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