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Grendel

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It's one of the top rated TV shows of all time, you should try it sometime.

So if jokes are about child sex abuse it’s cool - ok
 

Grendel

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I don't think jokes about disabled people are funny yet you seem to think it's hilarious.

Just bore off. Fucking tedious.

i don’t make jokes about disabled people
 
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PVA

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Anyway. Moving on.

Putin Is Running Out of Time to Achieve Breakthrough in Ukraine

For months, Russia’s army has made only limited gains on the battlefield against Ukrainian troops starved of weapons and ammunition. That’s a growing challenge for President Vladimir Putin as his military’s advantage starts to erode.


 

skybluetony176

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This would be an incredible achievement if they can do it


I did see that they’ve took out Russian air defence systems overnight at three logistical points in Crimea. Seems that they’re setting up for something bigger like key infrastructure. Not sure Crimea falling is in their sights but certainly helps cutting of supply in other occupied areas of Ukraine.
 

PVA

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Maybe there will be a sharp decrease in the number of people falling from high windows now there's plenty of room in the prisons?


 

shmmeee

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Some clever immigrant could be making bank if the Tories pull off a shock win. £3k to go to Rwanda, then $2k to go to Ukraine, escape, rinse, repeat.
 
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PVA

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Armenia is to leave the CSTO and looks to be leaning towards the West and maybe even seek EU membership one day. Another strategic masterclass from Putin.
 

hamertime

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Russia is an embarrassment to what it used to be to be honest. It can only do local conflicts. America enjoys to watch it eat itself. The people that really run the world are the English speaking nations. America, England, Canada Australia. We love Poland too we owe those boys a lot.
 

Grendel

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It's very unlikely, but they do appear to be shifting to the west.

No it’s not unlikely it’s never happening
 

Grendel

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But they are looking to shift to the west so yet another strategic masterclass from Putin.

I am pointing out your comment “it’s very unlikely” is a falsehood.
 

Sick Boy

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The point is that advocating for a negotiated end to the conflict needs to not be seen as some kind of extreme position.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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The point is that advocating for a negotiated end to the conflict needs to not be seen as some kind of extreme position.
I understand the rationale behind it, I just think it would do nothing to prevent another invasion in the moderate term future. It would unfold not dissimilar to the Munich Agreement in my view.
 

Sick Boy

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I laugh because what you’ve proposed is tantamount to Ukraine being in NATO or as good as in Putin’s eyes.
Well, he’s kind of brought it on himself and it’s why negotiations will take place that allow him to save face. Unfortunately, the alternative is a never ending conflict.
 

Sick Boy

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Wasn’t the whole justification for him invading being Ukraine getting too close to NATO?
If you take everything he says at face value. 😂😂
The reality is there will be a settlement with the current battlefield. The days of Johnson and Macron exploiting the conflict to further their own political careers are at an end.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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If you take everything he says at face value. 😂😂
The reality is there will be a settlement with the current battlefield. The days of Johnson and Macron exploiting the conflict to further their own political careers are at an end.
You’re taking him at face value by believing he won’t invade again just because he signs a piece of paper. All the while this ‘saving face’ involves him annexing more Ukrainian territory.
 

Sick Boy

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You’re taking him at face value by believing he won’t invade again just because he signs a piece of paper. All the while this ‘saving face’ involves him annexing more Ukrainian territory.
The direct consequence of bringing others into the conflict that he wouldn’t be able to win isn’t going to be something that he’d take lightly. It also allows him to save face while essentially having Ukraine in NATO without it being official.

Unfortunately there isn’t going to be a glorious Ukrainian victory; the alternative is a never ending war. Ukraine giving up land is inevitable at this point and its naive to think that it’s not being talked about behind closed doors.

I know it’s wrong and unjust but it’s the reality of the situation.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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The direct consequence of bringing others into the conflict that he wouldn’t be able to win isn’t going to be something that he’d take lightly. It also allows him to save face while essentially having Ukraine in NATO without it being official.

Unfortunately there isn’t going to be a glorious Ukrainian victory; the alternative is a never ending war.
Others are already involved and as long as they are he also can’t win. That scenario being no different to what’s happening now.

People like him don’t respect appeasement.
 

Sick Boy

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Others are already involved and as long as they are he also can’t win. That scenario being no different to what’s happening now.

People like him don’t respect appeasement.
Oh well, as long as there’s a long line of innocent people with no choice on both sides to lose their lives, it’s much better than trying to bring it to an end.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Oh well, as long as there’s a long line of innocent people with no choice on both sides to lose their lives, it’s much better than trying to bring it to an end.
I want it brought to an end with Russia’s military defeat or complete withdrawal. Putin could leave the territory today and we’d have peace tomorrow.

Why allow him a slice of territory that isn’t his?
 

skybluetony176

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Presumably some sort of clause that if Russia invades Ukraine it would automatically draw others into conflict.
So that would mean that Russia withdraws completely including Crimea? Otherwise they’ll still be invading Ukraine.

Also we’ve already done this in 1994. It meant nothing to Putin.
 

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