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USSR invades Ukraine. (11 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Feb 22, 2022
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PVA

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,296
Sick Boy said:
I imagine the failed counter-offensive means that there's scepticism amongst Western countries, even if it's not publicly said. Billions of dollars was put towards weapons for it and it achieved next to nothing; it was supposed to have been the turning point in the war.
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It failed because the west didn't give them what they needed.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,297
Grendel said:
Eliminating your enemies is hardly a new thing is it. I remember the death of Georgi Markov. There is something curiously quaint about it in a way. So John Le Carre.
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Pretty weird to call murder quaint.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,298
Just staggering the number of posters regurgitating Russian talking points from GB News while trying to sound smugly smart.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,299
PVA said:
It failed because the west didn't give them what they needed.
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Good
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,300
djr8369 said:
Just staggering the number of posters regurgitating Russian talking points from GB News while trying to sound smugly smart.
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Im certainly not doing that
 
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djr8369

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,301
Grendel said:
Im certainly not doing that
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Just a coincidence then?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,302
Deleted member 9744 said:
Pretty weird to call murder quaint.
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Oh it’s kind of funny really - the old Soviet style of murder. It is a bit nostalgic
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,303
djr8369 said:
Just a coincidence then?
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I guess you watch a lot of GB News - I don’t
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,304
Deleted member 9744 said:
Pretty weird to call murder quaint.
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One can only imagine how he'd react if someone called an IRA murder quaint.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,305
Grendel said:
Good
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You think the torture, rape and murder of innocent people is good?

It's a take I suppose.
 
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djr8369

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,306
Grendel said:
I guess you watch a lot of GB News - I don’t
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Never seen it but have seen their articles online.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,307
djr8369 said:
Just staggering the number of posters regurgitating Russian talking points from GB News while trying to sound smugly smart.
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Seems to be getting worse, sadly.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,308
PVA said:
You think the torture, rape and murder of innocent people is good?

It's a take I suppose.
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No that’s why I believe a solution needs to be found - unlike you
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,309
PVA said:
One can only imagine how he'd react if someone called an IRA murder quaint.
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Blowing innocent women and children in McDonald’s was definitely not - but some of your chums on here support this
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,310
Grendel said:
Blowing innocent women and children in McDonald’s was definitely not - but some of your chums on here support this
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That's exactly what Russia are doing. You support this.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,311
Grendel said:
Oh it’s kind of funny really - the old Soviet style of murder. It is a bit nostalgic
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Murder is funny now?

Is it only funny if it is carried out by a totalitarian state? Or only some states? Just like to know which murders we should find funny and which we shouldn't.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,312
PVA said:
That's exactly what Russia are doing. You support this.
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They aren’t and I don’t
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,313
Grendel said:
They aren’t
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What the fuck? What is wrong with you

They've indiscriminately murdered thousands of innocent civilians. How can you deny this?
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,314
PVA said:
What the fuck? What is wrong with you

They've indiscriminately murdered thousands of innocent civilians. How can you deny this?
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Civilians die in war - I’m sorry if this an affront to your precious sensitivities but that’s the way it goes
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,315
Grendel said:
Eliminating your enemies is hardly a new thing is it. I remember the death of Georgi Markov. There is something curiously quaint about it in a way. So John Le Carre.
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Unacceptable levels of corruption in Ukraine
Even higher levels of corruption. invasion of other countries and murdering of political rivals in Russia
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 19, 2024
  • #8,316
shmmeee said:
If we’re going back to pre WW2 geopolitics LFG. Move Taiwan to somewhere in Utah en masse then bring it, I reckon we win. Also fuck it lets go back in for Calais, solve the small boat problem once and for all.
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Once more unto the breach my friends, once more!
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,317
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Unacceptable levels of corruption in Ukraine
Even higher levels of corruption. invasion of other countries and murdering of political rivals in Russia
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Blowing up innocent people in McDonald’s
Blowing up innocent people in hospitals and supermarkets


Call me old fashioned but I think they're both appalling.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,318
PVA said:
Blowing up innocent people in McDonald’s
Blowing up innocent people in hospitals and supermarkets


Call me old fashioned but I think they're both appalling.
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You are failing to distinguish between terrorism and war
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,319
Grendel said:
You are failing to distinguish between terrorism and war
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And you fail to acknowledge the existence of war crimes.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,320
shmmeee said:
And you fail to acknowledge the existence of war crimes.
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No country involved in war - including Ukraine - plays by the rules
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,321
Nothing to see here. It’s just the quaintness of war

Avdiivka: Russia accused of executing prisoners of war after Ukraine withdraws

The BBC speaks to relatives after video shows bodies of soldiers who are believed to have surrendered.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,322
Ukraine war crimes good

Russia war crimes bad
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,323
Guess that’s the level we are at now here
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,324
Grendel said:
Ukraine war crimes good

Russia war crimes bad
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Literally no one has said that.
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,325
Grendel said:
No country involved in war - including Ukraine - plays by the rules
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See, you’re doing it again.
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,326
PVA said:
Literally no one has said that.
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No you don’t understand. Two wrongs make a right and only people who are unimpeachable on Grendels personal morality scale are allowed to complain about anything. Everyone else is the deserving poor/genocide victim.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,327
shmmeee said:
See, you’re doing it again.
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They don’t and there’s a huge distinction between terrorism and war. The fact is if you like it or not many Russians view Ukraine as their territory - in the case of Crimea it’s Russian in their eyes and it’s takeover was seen by the population as legitimate

Zelensky is a corrupt grubby little man with a desire to make money. Putin is a murdering gangster with a desire to make even more money.

We shouldn’t be involved
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,328
shmmeee said:
No you don’t understand. Two wrongs make a right and only people who are unimpeachable on Grendels personal morality scale are allowed to complain about anything. Everyone else is the deserving poor/genocide victim.
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Ah you're right. There's more important things than war crimes to get angry about. Zelensky's facial hair for example.
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,329
Grendel said:
They don’t and there’s a huge distinction between terrorism and war. The fact is if you like it or not many Russians view Ukraine as their territory - in the case of Crimea it’s Russian in their eyes and it’s takeover was seen by the population as legitimate

Zelensky is a corrupt grubby little man with a desire to make money. Putin is a murdering gangster with a desire to make even more money.

We shouldn’t be involved
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Grendels weird binary ethics system strikes again.

Russia are very openly carrying out genocide. Their stated aim is the removal of Ukraine as a concept. Their poor grasp of history, like Hitlers, like Nethenyahus, is irrelevant unless you’re desperately scraping around to try and justify your edgy positions of course. In which case wearing a hoodie as a leader and systematically kidnapping children and performing brainwashing on them are morally equivalent.

Got to admire your persistence at sticking to a bit, but it doesn’t half force you to look a clown sometimes.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 20, 2024
  • #8,330
That's the the problem with taking such stupid, edgy, views. They always come back to make you look a total clown when you try and defend various other positions totally at odds to other views on other topics.
 
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