He's probably fucked up both Russia and Ukraine with the war.
Nowhere have I said he's played a blinder with the war but his wider strategy of causing disruption and division in the west has been highly effective, unless you believe there has been zero interference from Russia that had an impact on events in 2016 and 2020?
It would be a de facto ceasefire as Putin clearly would want to go back in for more. Agree to a peace deal to seize some land, recover the economy and military and invade again when ready.There would be zero chance of the West agreeing to sign land away under conditions of a ceasefire.
That would have been a risk of any ceasefire ever signed. The West would insist on a variety of conditions that would make another invasion a no go.It would be a de facto ceasefire as Putin clearly would want to go back in for more. Agree to a peace deal to recover the economy and military and invade again when ready.
I think he probably underestimated unity in the West and the amount of money put into it.Yes I agreed with your latter point that his disinformation and division campaigns in the west have been incredibly effective.
But you can't say he's played a blinder but with the caveat of ignoring the huge strategic disaster of this war.
That's like saying we've had a blinder of a season if you ignore the goals we've conceded!
Like in 2014?That would have been a risk of any ceasefire ever signed. The West would insist on a variety of conditions that would make another invasion a no go.
What about 2014?Like in 2014?
You seem oblivious to the fact that a full scale invasion, part of which entered through Crimea, happened 8 years after the territory was effectively ceded.@Brighton Sky Blue - you seem oblivious to the fact that fighting continued.
You don’t see this as a sign of weakness from Putin by his own “tough” man standards? It’s certainly a changer in his position.As predicted, it'll end with negotiations and a settlement. The stuff about it going on as long as Ukraine wanted was never going to happen. I'd imagine behind closed doors in Europe there's also a lot of fatigue with it all and billions being spent on it.
No, not really.You don’t see this as a sign of weakness from Putin by his own “tough” man standards? It’s certainly a changer in his position.
You don’t see this as a sign of weakness from Putin by his own “tough” man standards? It’s certainly a changer in his position.
Not sure how you see it that way. He’s clearly trying to appease a growing more daring vocal opposition in Russia. He can only put so many in prison for “extremism”. He’s losing his own support in Russia both on the street and from within his circle.No, not really.
He's probably fucked up both Russia and Ukraine with the war. The counteroffensive has ultimately failed and was likely met with a lot of disappointment from the West after how much it was hyped up and the money spent on it. At this point, I'm more inclined for the deaths of innocent men, women and children to end, rather than an ongoing war that will never progress past a stalemate.
Nowhere have I said he's played a blinder with the war but his wider strategy of causing disruption and division in the west has been highly effective, unless you believe there has been zero interference from Russia that had an impact on events in 2016 and 2020?
This took 5 seconds to find - Senate panel backs assessment that Russia interfered in 2016I think this is just buying his propoganda TBH. No evidence he had any appreciable impact.
Not sure what else you expected them to say!As predicted, it'll end with negotiations and a settlement. The stuff about it going on as long as Ukraine wanted was never going to happen.
This took 5 seconds to find - Senate panel backs assessment that Russia interfered in 2016
Happy birthday for tomorrow mateThe political left = LOL
'Why do we keep losing elections'.
I would say SBT needs to shut down the off topic chat, but it's actually a hilarious insight. Keep going lads.
Twat.The political left = LOL
'Why do we keep losing elections'.
I would say SBT needs to shut down the off topic chat, but it's actually a hilarious insight. Keep going lads.
Twat.
The political left = LOL
'Why do we keep losing elections'.
I would say SBT needs to shut down the off topic chat, but it's actually a hilarious insight. Keep going lads.
It sounds like the Russians have taken another key town.
It sounds like Russia had to throw everything at it to achieve it though for a minimal gain. The town is a destroyed ghost town. The Russians were desperate to get it back because it has a key road for resupplying its front lines. Although in the last few weeks Ukraine seems to have gained control of the air in the last few weeks through its use of western hardware including surface to air missiles and aircraft, attacked a ship docked in Crimea last night unopposed. This road they were desperate to take control of could end up being shooting fish in a barrel for Ukraine and not the victory some think it is for Russian. Also Ukraine is still holding on to its bridgehead east of the Dnipro River, Russian sent its newly organised 104th air assault division there at the beginning of the month who were supposed to be an elite new force who were going to take the bridgehead back with ease, only to get wiped out. If you look more closely at the backdrop to Russias “victory” in Marinka it’s probably a hollow victory and even then unless they can make use of the road to any great degree taking a decollate ghost town is unlikely to be a victory at all. Time will tell.It sounds like the Russians have taken another key town.
Just like the counteroffensive then.It sounds like Russia had to throw everything at it to achieve it though for a minimal gain.
Not sure what point you’re trying to make there. Russia has been trying to take this town since 2014 for one road, they’ve taken it (allegedly, Ukraine now reporting it’s still fighting there) a mere 9 years later with great losses in terms of hardware and personnel while taking heavy losses elsewhere in an attempt to regain a bridgehead that Ukraine has taken east of the Dnipro. In the big scheme of things this is hardly a victory and still might not be if they can’t make use of the road due to Ukraines air power. I think you’ve put the bunting out a little early on this one. Let’s see what its ultimate strategic value is first.Just like the counteroffensive then.
Capitalist Russia?
Was Stalin a communist? I’d suggest not.
27 million Russians died in WW2 - Uncle Joe wasnt removed
Thoughts on our recent good form? Sakamoto is some player isn’t he?
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