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USSR invades Ukraine. (19 Viewers)

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PVA

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  • Nov 2, 2023
  • #7,596
Good job he didn't consult with the experts in here that said Kyiv would be taken within a week of the invasion really isn't it.
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Nov 14, 2023
  • #7,597
Grendel said:
So amnesty are talking shite and don’t understand the war crime definition?
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Entirely possible. They were caught out by doing that earlier in the war
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Nov 14, 2023
  • #7,598
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Shelling children on the beach certainly qualifies
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PVA said:
Cluster bombs are a war crime when used against civilians. Ukraine have not used cluster bombs against civilians.
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Any bomb used against civilians (or a civilian facility) is a war crime, if civilians were deliberately targeted. Doesnt have to be a cluster bomb, it can be any weapon.

But it becomes tricky when the enemy is deliberately using a civilian facility to hide military equipment, which is definitely what Russia has done. And what Hamas has done in Gaza.

Hamas are well known for attacking Israel from a civilian position, then claiming “war crime committed by imperialist Zionist pigdog“ when Israel fires back. Especially when Israel has a legit right to fire back
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 14, 2023
  • #7,599
DrPoolittle said:
Any bomb used against civilians (or a civilian facility) is a war crime, if civilians were deliberately targeted. Doesnt have to be a cluster bomb, it can be any weapon.

But it becomes tricky when the enemy is deliberately using a civilian facility to hide military equipment, which is definitely what Russia has done. And what Hamas has done in Gaza.

Hamas are well known for attacking Israel from a civilian position, then claiming “war crime committed by imperialist Zionist pigdog“ when Israel fires back. Especially when Israel has a legit right to fire back
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How were Hamas hiding behind the children on the beach?
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Nov 14, 2023
  • #7,600
Brighton Sky Blue said:
How were Hamas hiding behind the children on the beach?
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tunnels used by Hamas…..maybe a tragic fucking mistake……..maybe even not a factual event……maybe Hamas did it and blamed Israel
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 14, 2023
  • #7,601
DrPoolittle said:
tunnels used by Hamas…..maybe a tragic fucking mistake……..maybe even not a factual event……maybe Hamas did it and blamed Israel
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So why did the IDF shell children on the beach?
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Nov 14, 2023
  • #7,602
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So why did the IDF shell children on the beach?
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I refer the right honourable poster to my previous, accurate answer, whilst ignoring the obvious gag about shells on a beach
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Nov 14, 2023
  • #7,603
Given today is the 14th November and all that means for the City of Coventry, I am trying to think of a modern, industrial war when civilians didn’t get caught up and hurt in the general shitness of war.
The Falklands? First Gulf War?

Even then, that’s bullshit because of the suffering of the bereaved and impact on families - on all sides of the conflict
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,604
Still going in Ukraine. Diplomacy solution needed but highly unlikely.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,605
Flying Fokker said:
Still going in Ukraine. Diplomacy solution needed but highly unlikely.
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It’ll inevitably end in a negotiated settlement.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,606
Sick Boy said:
It’ll inevitably end in a negotiated settlement.
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And then Russia invading again to take a bit more until it has the lot.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,607
Brighton Sky Blue said:
And then Russia invading again to take a bit more until it has the lot.
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It’s the reality of the situation- a conflict that neither side will win.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,608
Sick Boy said:
It’s the reality of the situation- a conflict that neither side will win.
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One side ultimately will if Ukraine continues to sign away its territory piece by piece.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,609
Brighton Sky Blue said:
One side ultimately will if Ukraine continues to sign away its territory piece by piece.
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What do you propose? Spending billions on a stalemate for decades to come?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,610
Sick Boy said:
What do you propose? Spending billions on a stalemate for decades to come?
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Tipping the balance in Ukraine’s favour enough for it to get Russia out.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,611
Sick Boy said:
What do you propose? Spending billions on a stalemate for decades to come?
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I mean it’s a bargain compared to the alternative. But we could just stop slow walking military aid and give them enough to do the job
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,612
shmmeee said:
I mean it’s a bargain compared to the alternative. But we could just stop slow walking military aid and give them enough to do the job
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More and more it’s going to be reliant on the US funding it, there’s a pattern in the EU with leaders to the right being voted in who are opposed to more military funding.
 
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Fysnkysc

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  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,613
shmmeee said:
I mean it’s a bargain compared to the alternative. But we could just stop slow walking military aid and give them enough to do the job
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Literally this, If the leaders didn't prance around being all stupid last year we could of gave them everything needed and I'm 99% sure if we did that Russia wouldn't be in ukraine atleast the parts they raided instantly.

Ukraine deserve all the support if not Russia will rebuild and go again as the did with the czenia war, this time it won't be ukraine vs Russians it will be hungary, Slovaks, czechs against Russia and ukraine.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,614
Kizz said:
Literally this, If the leaders didn't prance around being all stupid last year we could of gave them everything needed and I'm 99% sure if we did that Russia wouldn't be in ukraine atleast the parts they raided instantly.

Ukraine deserve all the support if not Russia will rebuild and go again as the did with the czenia war, this time it won't be ukraine vs Russians it will be hungary, Slovaks, czechs against Russia and ukraine.
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And it that scenario NATO would also be involved.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,615
Sick Boy said:
More and more it’s going to be reliant on the US funding it, there’s a pattern in the EU with leaders to the right being voted in who are opposed to more military funding.
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It’s total stalemate

Who’s Gaining Ground in Ukraine? This Year, No One. (Published 2023)

Although both sides have launched ambitious offensives, the front line has barely shifted. After 18 months of war, a breakthrough looks more difficult than ever.
www.nytimes.com
 
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Fysnkysc

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  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,616
Sick Boy said:
And it that scenario NATO would also be involved.
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Why? Are we involved directly now? We have given then almost everything, the only thing we haven't given them is quantity.

As for nato getting involved directly. Its only a matter of time before it happens Russia won't try to stop expanding.


Your proposal is for Ukraine to Keal over and die even though they have been fighting for freedom since the soviet Union.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,617
Kizz said:
Why? Are we involved directly now? We have given then almost everything, the only thing we haven't given them is quantity.

As for nato getting involved directly. Its only a matter of time before it happens Russia won't try to stop expanding.


Your proposal is for Ukraine to Keal over and die even though they have been fighting for freedom since the soviet Union.
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If Russia invades/attacks Hungary it’d mean NATO being directly involved in fighting.

Once financial support dries up Ukraine will be in a much weaker position to negotiate. It’s inevitable that it’ll end in a negotiated settlement.
 
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eastwoodsdustman

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  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,618
I don't think that the west will stop funding Ukraine unless (god forbid) Trump gets back in. The vast majority of the western world wants a regime change in Russia so will keep funding them.
Things have slowed down to a stalemate again across most of the front as they do every year at this time. The weather makes it virtually impossible to make any worthwhile attacks or movement so both sides will prepare for things to start again in the spring.
One caveat to this might be the Ukrainians pushing out from their position from the left bank of the Dnipro river if they think that they can advance.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,619
eastwoodsdustman said:
I don't think that the west will stop funding Ukraine unless (god forbid) Trump gets back in. The vast majority of the western world wants a regime change in Russia so will keep funding them.
Things have slowed down to a stalemate again across most of the front as they do every year at this time. The weather makes it virtually impossible to make any worthwhile attacks or movement so both sides will prepare for things to start again in the spring.
One caveat to this might be the Ukrainians pushing out from their position from the left bank of the Dnipro river if they think that they can advance.
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The Us certainly want regime change but they want a stooge like Gorbachov or a fool like Yeltsin. What they’d get would likely be far worse than Putin
 

tisza

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  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,620
Grendel said:
The Us certainly want regime change but they want a stooge like Gorbachov or a fool like Yeltsin. What they’d get would likely be far worse than Putin
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Anyone seen as a "viable" alternative by the West is either ostracized or in prison. There is no free political infrastructure for moderates or other parties to mount a challenge. Key roles including governorships are filled with Putin's own people.
The "west" has still not learnt what they deem acceptable is often not appropriate or acceptable to local circumstances and often fails.
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,621
Kizz said:
We have given then almost everything, the only thing we haven't given them is quantity.
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Lol
 

Otis

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  • Nov 24, 2023
  • #7,622
Grendel said:
It’s total stalemate

Who’s Gaining Ground in Ukraine? This Year, No One. (Published 2023)

Although both sides have launched ambitious offensives, the front line has barely shifted. After 18 months of war, a breakthrough looks more difficult than ever.
www.nytimes.com
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Yup, I heard that. Which renders it all totally pointless.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 4, 2023
  • #7,623
A poll in Russia shows that support for the war in Ukraine has collapsed since the previous poll in February. The largest majority now want a full withdrawal and Putin is worried with presidential elections coming next year.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 4, 2023
  • #7,624
skybluetony176 said:
A poll in Russia shows that support for the war in Ukraine has collapsed since the previous poll in February. The largest majority now want a full withdrawal and Putin is worried with presidential elections coming next year.
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I don't know but I think Putin might win though.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 4, 2023
  • #7,625
Deleted member 9744 said:
I don't know but I think Putin might win though.
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Plucky underdog wins against all the odds.
 

tisza

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  • Dec 5, 2023
  • #7,626
skybluetony176 said:
A poll in Russia shows that support for the war in Ukraine has collapsed since the previous poll in February. The largest majority now want a full withdrawal and Putin is worried with presidential elections coming next year.
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Doesn't care. No credible threat as they are either in prison or left the country. Hard to have a political debate when it's now a prisonable offence to criticize the govt.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 6, 2023
  • #7,627

Ukraine signals a shift toward defense as analysts ask whether 'failed counteroffensive' is over

Ukraine signaled it's shifting its military tactics to a more defensive footing after an analysis of Russia's resource capabilities, and as winter arrives.
www.cnbc.com

I’m starting to think our guys on the frontline were wrong. It also looks like the infamous counter-offensive is over.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 6, 2023
  • #7,628
Sick Boy said:

Ukraine signals a shift toward defense as analysts ask whether 'failed counteroffensive' is over

Ukraine signaled it's shifting its military tactics to a more defensive footing after an analysis of Russia's resource capabilities, and as winter arrives.
www.cnbc.com

I’m starting to think our guys on the frontline were wrong. It also looks like the infamous counter-offensive is over.
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Need to hurry up and sign away 20% of their land in time for Putin’s Christmas.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 6, 2023
  • #7,629
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Need to hurry up and sign away 20% of their land in time for Putin’s Christmas.
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It’s going to be inevitable, I’m afraid.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 6, 2023
  • #7,630
Sick Boy said:
It’s going to be inevitable, I’m afraid.
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As will the next 20% until it’s all gone.
 
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