USSR invades Ukraine. (2 Viewers)

[PVA]

So both HRW and Amnesty International are spreading misinformation.

Oh right does it say in that article they were deliberately targeting civilians then?

Anyone found to have committed a war crime should be tried and punished accordingly.

But if you think that incident is remotely comparable to Russia (or Israel) deliberately shelling civilians then there's something wrong with you.

 

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[Grendel]

Oh right does it say in that article they were deliberately targeting civilians then?

Anyone found to have committed a war crime should be tried and punished accordingly.

But if you think that incident is remotely comparable to Russia (or Israel) deliberately shelling civilians then there's something wrong with you.

So amnesty are talking shite and don’t understand the war crime definition?

 

[skybluetony176]

So both HRW and Amnesty International are spreading misinformation.

Only in Gaza apparently.

 

[PVA]

So amnesty are talking shite and don’t understand the war crime definition?

Do you think Ukraine intentionally targeted it's own citizens with cluster bombs?

 

[Grendel]

Do you think Ukraine intentionally targeted it's own citizens with cluster bombs?

i don’t work for amnesty international

 

[PVA]

i don’t work for amnesty international

I didn't say you did. I am asking you a question.

And Amnesty have been criticised throughout, starting with their refusal to condemn Putin’s invasion in the first place.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

And Amnesty have been criticised throughout

For what, not being pro Putin enough?!?

South Africa: Amnesty International joins Putin arrest warrant case as an amicus curiae

Amnesty International South Africa has been admitted as an amicus curiae, friend of the court, in the application for a declaratory order that if Russian President Vladimir Putin attends the BRICS Summit in South Africa due to take place in August, the South African authorities are obliged to...

www.amnesty.org

Ukraine: Russia’s attack on Odesa’s port risks ‘disastrous’ global crisis

By stepping up its war of aggression in this manner, Russia is holding some of the world’s lowest income countries hostage to its military and political agenda.

www.amnesty.org

History textbook blatant attempt to indoctrinate children in Russia

It conceals the truth and misrepresents the facts about human rights violations.

www.amnesty.org

Russia: ICC’s arrest warrant against Putin is a step towards justice

Those who are allegedly responsible for war crimes under international law in Ukraine will face arrest and trial, no matter how powerful they are.

www.amnesty.org

Ukraine: Preserving evidence of war crimes as Ukraine retakes its territory key for victims of war crimes

Responding to the latest military developments on the ground in Kherson Region, Denis Krivosheev, Regional Director, Eastern Europe and Central Asia said: “Following Russian troops’ withdrawal from Dnipro’s right bank in Kherson, it is important to prioritize preservation of evidence of war...

www.amnesty.org

Ukraine: Russia’s unlawful transfer of civilians a war crime and likely a crime against humanity – new report

Russian forces tortured and deported civilians from Ukraine Children separated from families after forcible transfer Older people, people with disabilities, and children struggle to leave Russia Russian authorities forcibly transferred and deported civilians from occupied areas of Ukraine in...

www.amnesty.org

Russian attacks on Kyiv and cities across Ukraine are an escalation of aggression and apparent violations of laws of war

While Kyiv was one of the first targets at the start of the of the full-scale invasion by Russia, this is the first time its historic centre has been hit

www.amnesty.org

Ukraine: Missile attack on humanitarian convoy in Zaporizhzhia further proof of Russia's ‘utter disregard for civilian lives’

Responding to reports that at least 25 civilians were killed today by a missile strike on a humanitarian convoy in the Ukrainian city of Zaporizhzhia, Denis Krivosheev, Amnesty International’s Deputy Director for Eastern Europe and Central Asia, said: “The fact that a humanitarian convoy was...

www.amnesty.org

Deadly Mariupol theatre strike ‘a clear war crime’

The strike on Mariupol drama theatre in Ukraine killed at least a dozen people.

www.amnesty.org

Further armed conflict in Ukraine would have devastating consequences for the human rights of millions

The history of Russia’s military interventions is tainted with blatant disregard for international humanitarian law.

www.amnesty.org

 

[PVA]

It’s all lies Amnesty PVA says so

Ukraine: Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians

Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm’s way by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in schools and hospitals, as they repelled the Russian invasion that began in February, Amnesty International said today. Such tactics violate...

www.amnesty.org

Also you should read their own internal review into this report.

 

[PVA]

For what, not being pro Putin enough?!?

I mean I never said they haven't criticised Russia at all. Because that would be utterly ridiculous if they hadn't.

 

[PVA]

Also you should read their own internal review into this report.

You should also read their apology to Ukraine for that report as well @Grendel

 

[Sick Boy]

You should also read their apology to Ukraine for that report as well @Grendel

 

[PVA]

Erm. OK.

 

[Grendel]

its all made up

Accountability for Ukrainian War Crimes Ought to include Ukrainian War Crimes

Illinois law professor Lesley M. Wexler argues that based on the principle that justice needs to be justice for all, Ukraine should facilitate investigation of possible crimes by Ukrainians against Ru...

verdict.justia.com

 

[Grendel]

I mean I never said they haven't criticised Russia at all. Because that would be utterly ridiculous if they hadn't.

You said they didn’t condemn the invasion - where is your evidence of that?

 

[PVA]

its all made up

Accountability for Ukrainian War Crimes Ought to include Ukrainian War Crimes

Illinois law professor Lesley M. Wexler argues that based on the principle that justice needs to be justice for all, Ukraine should facilitate investigation of possible crimes by Ukrainians against Ru...

verdict.justia.com

As I said, anyone who commits a war crime should be tried and punished accordingly.

Once again you seem far keener to point out alleged Ukrainian war crimes than concrete Russian war crimes.

 

[Grendel]

As I said, anyone who commits a war crime should be tried and punished accordingly.

Once again you seem far keener to point out alleged Ukrainian war crimes than concrete Russian war crimes.

Er you seem frantic to defend Ukraine about everything - war crimes, homophobia, transphobia, racism - it’s bizarre

 

[PVA]

Er you seem frantic to defend Ukraine about everything - war crimes, homophobia, transphobia, racism - it’s bizarre

I have never defended any of those things.

Having a bunch of homophobes, transphobes and racists doesn't mean the country deserves to be wiped off the map.

You disagree. That's up to you.

 

[Grendel]

I have never defended any of those things.

Having a bunch of homophobes, transphobes and racists doesn't mean the country deserves to be wiped off the map.

You disagree. That's up to you.

committing war crimes is fine and dandy though

 

[PVA]

committing war crimes is fine and dandy though

You are entitled to your opinion.

 

[PVA]

Some updates from Ukraine, including huge losses for Russia at Adiivka which @Grendel laughed off the other day (when will you learn that Open Source accounts are way ahead of mainstream news outlets?)

In other developments Ukraine have made a breakthrough across the Dnipro and Russia receive arms from North Korea.

While the world's eyes are elsewhere, there are significant developments in the Ukraine war

Despite global attention on the Middle East, Russia launches attacks in Avdiivka with North Korean aid, while Ukraine deploys US-supplied missiles and initiates strategic moves in Kherson Oblast, intensifying pressure on Russian forces across fronts.

news.sky.com

 

[Flying Fokker]

 

[Como]

I seriously doubt those losses are accurate, I am sure the numbers are both significant and we will also never know the real numbers.

This guy is quite good, short punchy and pretty solid. Obviously English, lives in the Far East and I feel I should be able to track his accent down:

 

[PVA]

Have to take those numbers with a fair pinch of salt of course, but if they're even remotely close it's pretty astonishing numbers.

 

[skybluetony176]

In the latest news from let’s negotiate with this guy

Ukraine war: Russia executing own retreating soldiers, US says

The White House says heavy losses and poor morale are leading to mutinies in some units.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

In the latest news from let’s negotiate with this guy

Ukraine war: Russia executing own retreating soldiers, US says

The White House says heavy losses and poor morale are leading to mutinies in some units.

www.bbc.co.uk

Come on Tony, the source of the story is the US. As you know from the other thread, they are the worst of bad faith actors.

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[skybluetony176]

Come on Tony, the source of the story is the US. As you know from the other thread, they are the worst of bad faith actors.

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Oh come on Fernando, it’s hardly breaking news is it. This has been a recurring story for a good while now. There was even footage released earlier in the year. It does go to show that Putin isn’t someone you can negotiate though. Although if you’re relying on this to come to that conclusion then you really haven’t been paying attention.

 

[Flying Fokker]

This:

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

 

[Flying Fokker]

Russia has prepared 1,800 tanks 'for huge new invasion in ten days'

A Ukrainian official, speaking to Foreign Policy, also estimated that Russia has 300 helicopters and 2,700 artillery systems ready for a new invasion.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Sick Boy]

‘Tiredness on all sides’ over war in Ukraine, Italian PM tells prank caller

Giorgia Meloni ‘misled’ into phone conversation reportedly with Russian comedian posing as African political leader

www.theguardian.com

We should feel honoured that our experts on here had more insights into how the counteroffensive went.

 

[CCFCSteve]

‘Tiredness on all sides’ over war in Ukraine, Italian PM tells prank caller

Giorgia Meloni ‘misled’ into phone conversation reportedly with Russian comedian posing as African political leader

www.theguardian.com

We should feel honoured that our experts on here had more insights into how the counteroffensive went.

Yeah, to be fair to others who’ve commented they may have not built into their thinking that Russia have a neverending supply of expendable solders Putins willing to throw at this. Hundreds a day dying. What’s the alternative for Ukraine though ? He needs Russian families to rise up against the slaughter of their kids, husbands, friends etc but it ain’t happening.

 

[Sick Boy]

Yeah, to be fair to others who’ve commented they may have not built into their thinking that Russia have a neverending supply of expendable solders Putins willing to throw at this. Hundreds a day dying. What’s the alternative for Ukraine though ? He needs Russian families to rise up against the slaughter of their kids, husbands, friends etc but it ain’t happening.

Ultimately it’s a war that neither side will win under the current circumstances but I doubt Russia’s expendable troops and resolve will end before the West’s financial backing.

 

[skybluetony176]

Ultimately it’s a war that neither side will win under the current circumstances but I doubt Russia’s expendable troops and resolve will end before the West’s financial backing.

Isn’t he having to go back to the prison’s again?

 

[shmmeee]

“Resolve”

lol. Have you seen anything coming out of the Russian side of this war? Its not the Russians with resolve.

Really don’t get why someone would be cheering Russia on, other than deep seated psychological issues meaning they have to be contrary to everything because they don’t think their opinions are valid otherwise. But i dont think that’s Sick Boy.

 

[PVA]

Isn’t he having to go back to the prison’s again?

And they are recruiting women for combat roles as well apparently.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Ultimately it’s a war that neither side will win under the current circumstances but I doubt Russia’s expendable troops and resolve will end before the West’s financial backing.

There is no doubt in my mind that it will end in some kind of negotiated settlement but that can only happen when Russia are in the shit otherwise its likely to be repeated elsewhere.

As I say we need the Russian people to say enoughs enough. Easy for me to say in the comfort of my own home