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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #561
Philosorapter said:
Didn't USSR attack Finland once before. That didn't go well.
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Yeah I think so. Finland kicked its arse.
 

AOM

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #562
chiefdave said:
Even the Taliban think they've got too far!

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No announcement from Millwall yet though...
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #563
skybluetony176 said:
I would say getting silly now but we passed that point years ago

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As Finland for deffo don't have any plans to join NATO we are at the "spout any nonsense and the western media will post it as a new serious issue" stage of the news cycle
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #564
skybluetony176 said:
Chucked out of the Eurovision Song Contest now.
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That'll learn them.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #565
David O'Day said:
As Finland for deffo don't have any plans to join NATO we are at the "spout any nonsense and the western media will post it as a new serious issue" stage of the news cycle
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That’s not what Finland’s former PM thinks….


Anyway, as we all know, this was all NATO’s fault to begin with, so I’m sure if Finland and Sweden do apply to join then people will fully understand if Putin invades them as well.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #566
SBT said:
That’s not what Finland’s former PM thinks….


Anyway, as we all know, this was all NATO’s fault to begin with, so I’m sure if Finland and Sweden do apply to join then people will fully understand if Putin invades them as well.
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You forgot to mention the EU as well.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #567
SBT said:
That’s not what Finland’s former PM thinks….


Anyway, as we all know, this was all NATO’s fault to begin with, so I’m sure if Finland and Sweden do apply to join then people will fully understand if Putin invades them as well.
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This is where it seems counter-productive.
Putin may have a rhetoric for his own people about the Ukraine but all he has done is "frighten" other nations who are more likely to boost NATO presence or add NATO protection. Too many of the leadership of the NATO states bordering Russia & Ukraine are of an age when they remember Soviet occupation and the regimes they propped up.
PM here is fooling no-one with his talk. Is mis-reading his own support base. Thinks energy security is more important message than national security.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #568
SBT said:
That’s not what Finland’s former PM thinks….


Anyway, as we all know, this was all NATO’s fault to begin with, so I’m sure if Finland and Sweden do apply to join then people will fully understand if Putin invades them as well.
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Ferage thinks he’s a hero in Finland because a Finnish right wing MEP once hugged him. I’d imagine Finnish people are looking at Ukraine right now and thinking EU freedoms or vulnerable to Russia? We’ll take the EU freedoms thanks. Same for Poland which the Brexit press were salivating over the prospect of Polexit not that long ago when the Polish government tried to water down its legal system in a way that would threaten their EU membership. I bet they too are thinking that actually being part of the EU isn’t that bad , as they have Russia invading their neighbour from another one of their neighbours. Especially as I think I’m correct in saying that Belarus contest land on their Polish border I would think that Poland is feeling quite grateful for being EU and NATO members right now.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #569
SBT said:
That’s not what Finland’s former PM thinks….


Anyway, as we all know, this was all NATO’s fault to begin with, so I’m sure if Finland and Sweden do apply to join then people will fully understand if Putin invades them as well.
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He's not the PM anymore and his party not in power. I hate to be the one to say this but much like the weirdos derping about Corbyn what does it matter what he thinks? The current PM etc don't have any intention of joining nato.

This is the same as when John Major or Tony Blair tell people we should rejoin the EU
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #570
Finally


Left with no choice after the EU announced it.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #571
AOM said:
No announcement from Millwall yet though...
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Us potentially offering sanctuary to Ukrainian refugees has confused the fuck out of them.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #572
skybluetony176 said:
Finally


Left with no choice after the EU announced it.
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Tony, if you are intent on making this thread entirely about the EU then you need to have a bit of self-awareness.

The EU is dragging is legs on most of the stuff at the moment, and its response is some of the weakest there is out there. In fact, the response has been shameful and embarrassing quite frankly. I do not know how they can stand idly by like this. I am dumbfounded in truth.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #573
David O'Day said:
He's not the PM anymore and his party not in power. I hate to be the one to say this but much like the weirdos derping about Corbyn what does it matter what he thinks? The current PM etc don't have any intention of joining nato.

This is the same as when John Major or Tony Blair tell people we should rejoin the EU
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Current PM:

Unlike Sweden, Finland has adopted a so-called “NATO option” provision, which means that “if Finland’s security requires it, Finland has the opportunity to apply for membership,” Prime Minister Sanna Marin said.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #574
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Tony, if you are intent on making this thread entirely about the EU then you need to have a bit of self-awareness.

The EU is dragging is legs on most of the stuff at the moment, and its response is some of the weakest there is out there. In fact, the response has been shameful and embarrassing quite frankly. I do not know how they can stand idly by like this. I am dumbfounded in truth.
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Italy and Germany are about the only countries refusing to ban Russia from swift aren’t they - that United old Europe

Anger explodes at Germany, Italy, and Hungary over Europe’s failure to cut Russia off from SWIFT payment network – Fortune
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #575
It’s all about brexit

Germany and Italy have ‘disgraced themselves’ over Russia sanctions, Donald Tusk says

‘In this war everything is real: Putin’s madness and cruelty, Ukrainian victims, bombs falling on Kyiv – only your sanctions are pretended’
www.independent.co.uk
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #576
Grendel said:
Italy and Germany are about the only countries refusing to ban Russia from swift aren’t they - that United old Europe

Anger explodes at Germany, Italy, and Hungary over Europe’s failure to cut Russia off from SWIFT payment network – Fortune
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That can’t be true. The EU is a dictatorship that allows no country within it it’s own sovereignty. How quickly you forget.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #577
I think it’s safe to say the cosmetic sanctions imposed by the EU are just for the round of applause but hey it’s brexit wot did it

Insight: How a German state helped Moscow push a pipeline, weakening Ukraine

In the north German state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, where former Chancellor Angela Merkel had her constituency, ties to Russia run deep – so deep, in fact, its leaders have defended a Kremlin project that the United States says helped cripple Ukraine.
www.reuters.com
 

Otis

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  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #578


 
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Bugsy

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  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #579
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #580
David O'Day said:
He's not the PM anymore and his party not in power. I hate to be the one to say this but much like the weirdos derping about Corbyn what does it matter what he thinks? The current PM etc don't have any intention of joining nato.

This is the same as when John Major or Tony Blair tell people we should rejoin the EU
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That was her position a month. Lot changed since then.
Finnish opinion polls have steadily be moving towards a pro-NATO stance over recent years and mistrust etc. of Russia has seemingly risen at the same rate.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #581
Bugsy said:
View attachment 23961
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Remarkably courageous thing to do.
As Putin is telling the world the last few days people must be allowed to express themselves away from tyranny of corrupt govt!! Do as i say not as I do
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #582
PVA said:
Current PM:

Unlike Sweden, Finland has adopted a so-called “NATO option” provision, which means that “if Finland’s security requires it, Finland has the opportunity to apply for membership,” Prime Minister Sanna Marin said.
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so i was right, thank you
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #583
David O'Day said:
so i was right, thank you
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was being the operative word

Amid Russian Military Ops In Ukraine, Finland PM Says Country Ready To Join NATO If It Comes To National Security

Finland is ready to apply for NATO membership if it becomes a matter of national security, Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin said. “Finland is ready to apply for NATO membership if the issue of national security becomes acute,” Marin said at a parliament’s session, as quoted by the Yle...
eurasiantimes.com
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #584
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Russia just threatened finland and sweden if they tried to join nato.

Essentially Russia are trying to stop a nation joining nato ever again in the future by attacking any nation who shows intention to join, knowing nato will have it's hands tied and won't interfere with an attack on a nation that is not currently nato
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Which given what has just happened to Ukraine would have me reaching for the phone to get a membership card pronto.

It shows he won't attack NATO countries. So be a NATO country and you're safe.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #585
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Which given what has just happened to Ukraine would have me reaching for the phone to get a membership card pronto.

It shows he won't attack NATO countries. So be a NATO country and you're safe.
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lol I think they’d be refused entry for a while
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #586
tisza said:
Whole thing is bizarre.
Are very few NATO troops in Baltic States and Poland. Putin's actions are going to change that.
There are no significant ethnic Russian populations in Sweden or Finland so he needs a new angle there. Even he will find it a hard sell that Sweden is a threat to his people.

The concern still remains (NATO or not) is if he repeats his tactics in Crimea / Ukraine with the sizeable Russian populations in Estonia and Latvia. Or maybe Moldova is next on his list.
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For someone who didn't want NATO troops on his border:
1. Launching an invasion is a surefire way to bring them there.
2. Taking over Ukraine gives you a big border with a NATO country (and Latvia and Estonia already do anyway)

Almost like he's itching for someone to do something so he can start a proper war.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #587
Wonder how Putin is selling the threats of action against Sweden and Finland as aggression against Russia?
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #588
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Almost like he's itching for someone to do something so he can start a proper war.
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Too much testosterone. Judo, ice hockey, hunting, walking around in the snow with his shirt off.
Spent all this money on new "toys" desperate to play with them. He just loved sitting there telling the world to butt out or there would consequences the like the world has never seen before.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #589
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Wonder how Putin is selling the threats of action against Sweden and Finland as aggression against Russia?
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given Germany and Italy have already conceded defeat on sanctions I guess he doesn’t care
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #590
Stronger on sanctions than Germany and Italy….

 
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Marty

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  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #591
Can we somehow force the Germans and Italy into taking action?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #592
Marty said:
Can we somehow force the Germans and Italy into taking action?
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invade them?
 
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Bugsy

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #593
Ian1779 said:
Stronger on sanctions than Germany and Italy….

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Looks like they will have to use there imagination like that wanker Putin
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #594
Grendel said:
given Germany and Italy have already conceded defeat on sanctions I guess he doesn’t care
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Must have took your advice. Sanctions are pointless was your line of defence wasn’t it?
 

Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2022
  • #595
clint van damme said:
invade them?
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Superb idea, might as well bomb the French on the way over.
 
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