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Anyone watching this? Only been on ten minutes and I'm sat here in a state of shock.

Can't believe scum like this are so open and how many people are messaging the undercover copper. Very disturbing.
 

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I’m watching it, Very deep and dark.

death penalty needs to come back for these scum bags
 

Sky Blue Pete

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I can’t see how what the police are doing stands up in court but they are the professionals. The brazen nature is scary, it suggests a past caring attitude but also one that thinks they won’t get caught.

I’m horrified too but we aren’t going to kill 500000 people or put them in prison for life.
 

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Just awful shmmee. Terribly sad and depressing

the system looks broken and isn’t getting to grips with the problem or even keeping up with it

Not sure what the solution is certainly think the stop it now stuff and lucy faithful foundation need proper funding and huge investment
 

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Can someone give us a recap for those not near a telly?
Mate, it was absolutely horrific. They followed an undercover officer who was trying to capture paedophiles. At the start he created a fake profile on a chat site, this was just a regular chat site, not even on the dark web. Literally within seconds he had loads of people asking for pictures of his daughter, offering pictures of their kids etc.

Maybe I'm naive, I mean I know everything is out there on the internet but I just assumed you'd have to really go looking for this type of stuff. Similar to if you wanted to hire a hit man, you know they exist but you'd have to put some work in to find one. But this was all so open. One had even written his email address and an offer to send pics of his daughter in a public toilet.

The other thing that blew my mind was the age of the kids involved. This isn't people trading pictures of leaked nudes that teenagers have sent to each other, which would obviously be bad enough, this was parents taking photos of their kids who were under 10, and in some cases a lot younger.

The number of offenders they were talking about and the lack of resources they have to try and tackle it was genuine shocking. Its a very tough watch but definitely worth catching on 4OD. Think there's another 2 episodes, god knows where the series goes from here as it surely can't get much darker.
 

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Sounds like when I had CEOP training as a teacher. They showed us pedos in action online and most of it was on normal social sites (Club Penguin and Bebo at the time).

Nothings left me as shook as that days training did.
 
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Sounds like when I had CEOP training as a teacher. They showed us pedos in action online and most of it was on normal social sites (Club Penguin and Bebo at the time).

Nothings left me as shook as that days training did.
500000 people accessing criminal child abuse pictures and videos is a tsunami of damage.
Much better access to charities that help at an early stage is a real necessity in my opinion and more resource and tougher and more consistent justice for victims.

The pc at the end was interesting when she talked about those that would keep offending and those that a knock at the door would mean they stop. There’s something in that I think
 

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I listened to a podcast called hunting warhead about the search for a prolific distributor of online child abuse images. If I really get into a podcast I can binge them but I had to take breaks from this one because some of it was so shocking.
Worth a listen though. A few twists and some interesting moral questions.
 

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I always assumed that paedophiles were paedophiles regardless of the internet but I do wonder now how much the internet, due to its ease has increased the sharing of and people involved in paedophilia.

I wonder whether in my lifetime there will be mandatory licensing to access the internet
 

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I always assumed that paedophiles were paedophiles regardless of the internet but I do wonder now how much the internet, due to its ease has increased the sharing of and people involved in paedophilia.

I wonder whether in my lifetime there will be mandatory licensing to access the internet
It’s supposed to be part of many sexual health prevention orders but police don’t have the resource to ensure these are followed
 

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Doesn't sound like an easy watch, might swerve it toby fare.
 

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500000 people accessing criminal child abuse pictures and videos is a tsunami of damage.
Much better access to charities that help at an early stage is a real necessity in my opinion and more resource and tougher and more consistent justice for victims.

The pc at the end was interesting when she talked about those that would keep offending and those that a knock at the door would mean they stop. There’s something in that I think
To be a bit distant from this topic for a bit, I think there’s definitely a sliding scale of offender, from people literally taking and abusing kids and uploading it to the net, to dirty old men to just access it, to young adults still viewing older teen porn/revenge porn, to kids sending each other noods. Each needs a slightly different approach I think. Most of the latter categories would probably suffice with a slap on the wrist. The former need locking up.

I think you need to tackle the actual abuse very seriously with undercover work and the like.
I always assumed that paedophiles were paedophiles regardless of the internet but I do wonder now how much the internet, due to its ease has increased the sharing of and people involved in paedophilia.

I wonder whether in my lifetime there will be mandatory licensing to access the internet
I think the sad answer is paedophilia is far more prevalent than we like to think, but acting on it is very rare. The Internet has reduced the barrier in terms of risk and what we’re seeing now is a load of pedos being caught who in the past would’ve just been the dirty old man on the estate staring too long at the schoolgirls.
 
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To be a bit distant from this topic for a bit, I think there’s definitely a sliding scale of offender, from people literally taking and abusing kids and uploading it to the net, to dirty old men to just access it, to young adults still viewing older teen porn/revenge porn, to kids sending each other noods. Each needs a slightly different approach I think. Most of the latter categories would probably suffice with a slap on the wrist. The former need locking up.

I think you need to tackle the actual abuse very seriously with undercover work and the like.


I think the sad answer is paedophilia is far more prevalent than we like to think, but acting on it is very rare. The Internet has reduced the barrier in terms of risk and what we’re seeing now is a load of pedos being caught who in the past would’ve just been the dirty old man on the estate staring too long at the schoolgirls.
I think that’s absolutely right
 

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[QUOTE="shmmeee, post: 2196380, member: 2535"
I think the sad answer is paedophilia is far more prevalent than we like to think, but acting on it is very rare. The Internet has reduced the barrier in terms of risk and what we’re seeing now is a load of pedos being caught who in the past would’ve just been the dirty old man on the estate staring too long at the schoolgirls.
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That was my assumption.
 
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This was done for a good few years on the American series ‘To Catch A Predator’ where media worked in conjunction with the police and a group that specialised in baiting paedos. The interviews done between the host and the ‘predators’ were mind blowing.

In my case the only reason we could buy our current house was because the couple divorced after the bloke viewed child porn on his son’s laptop for over 5 years before he was caught. The police initially went for the teenage son before the dad confessed what he’d done.
 
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This was done for a good few years on the American series ‘To Catch A Predator’ where media worked in conjunction with the police and a group that specialised in baiting paedos. The interviews done between the host and the ‘predators’ were mind blowing.

In my case the only reason we could buy our current house was because the couple divorced after the bloke viewed child porn on his son’s laptop for over 5 years before he was caught. The police initially went for the teenage son before the dad confessed what he’d done.
Every cloud eh?
 
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I watched this last night. Scary stuff.
 

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Sickening but unsurprising. Dunno if the internet has encouraged paeodphillia or just made it easier for the pervs to communicate and share, rather than having to source pleasure from their own social network or family, We all seem to be more aware of it these days and hopefully, rather than it being ignored or dealt with behind closed doors, more of it is being reported and dealt with. Good to see the police are being pro-active and trying to actively bait and catch these people - and was nice to see them offering some welfare to the plod who had to deal with it.
 

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Sickening but unsurprising. Dunno if the internet has encouraged paeodphillia or just made it easier for the pervs to communicate and share, rather than having to source pleasure from their own social network or family, We all seem to be more aware of it these days and hopefully, rather than it being ignored or dealt with behind closed doors, more of it is being reported and dealt with. Good to see the police are being pro-active and trying to actively bait and catch these people - and was nice to see them offering some welfare to the plod who had to deal with it.
That’s an interesting point about potentially people looking rather than acting
 

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My sister and brother in law were on the child protection (police) in Knowle/Solihull.
He was a Sergeant and has recently retired (a huge weight off his shoulders I guess) and we can see the difference in him as a person now that it has gone.
 
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When I was looking at going back to Uni it was a toss up between artificial intelligence and computer forensics. What put me off forensics was hearing stories of people who worked for the police going through pedos computers and the shit they’d have to watch (to confirm they’d found a relevant file). Apparently 5 years is a good stint as a police computer forensics guy.
 

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When I was looking at going back to Uni it was a toss up between artificial intelligence and computer forensics. What put me off forensics was hearing stories of people who worked for the police going through pedos computers and the shit they’d have to watch (to confirm they’d found a relevant file). Apparently 5 years is a good stint as a police computer forensics guy.
My brother in law was in the police since he left school-think child protection was for 19-20 years.
 

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I once met a guy who spent his spare time working with the police as a 'paedo hunter' some of the things he told me were horrific but he was an odd bloke too. I asked him something like "wouldn't you rather police were properly resourced and you didn't have to bother" he replied by saying "no I enjoy it, I really like the look in their eyes when they know they've been caught"

Grim all round.
 

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Guys a hero. Bet he’s seen some shit, hope he has someone he can unload on.
Unfortunately his wife (my Mrs sister) it really affected in a bad way. At only 35 she had become a recluse. Wouldn’t even answer the door/phone unless she knew it was us and would then ring back. It took her years to recover-luckily she has now moved on and has another job which she enjoys.
 

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I once met a guy who spent his spare time working with the police as a 'paedo hunter' some of the things he told me were horrific but he was an odd bloke too. I asked him something like "wouldn't you rather police were properly resourced and you didn't have to bother" he replied by saying "no I enjoy it, I really like the look in their eyes when they know they've been caught"
One of the officers made some interesting comments on the facebook style paedo hunters. Basically that while some of them just gather evidence and hand it over a lot of them just want 5 minutes of fame and do more harm than good.
 
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One of the officers made some interesting comments on the facebook style paedo hunters. Basically that while some of them just gather evidence and hand it over a lot of them just want 5 minutes of fame and do more harm than good.
If they really cared about child protection they would hand it over to the police at the earliest opportunity as he said some do.
 

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If they really cared about child protection they would hand it over to the police at the earliest opportunity as he said some do.
That was the gist of what he said. Collecting information and handing it over can help. Arranging to meet someone and streaming it on facebook is a problem.
 
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Yeah not sure about those pedo hunters. Been more than one example of misidentification, vigilantism, or preying on vulnerable people.
Yeah, like the cretin who attacked a pediatrician because he thought that 'pediatrician' was the correct word to describe a kiddy fiddler.