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U23 v Cardiff today (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Jan 19, 2020
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #36
Magwitch said:
I’ve looked at the line up and wonder if Pask will be playing in the middle of a back five, fullback or in front of a back four will be interested to see what happens
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He’s playing right wing back
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #37
Either it’s the most boring game of football ever or the club have forgot about it as there’s been no update in 44 minutes
 
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better days

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #38
Would normally have tried to get to this one but couldn't get out of work today
Frustrating not having updates
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #39
cc84cov said:
Hiwula may go but I don’t see anyone taking Kastaneer on unless his agent can con someone into thinking he’s a “bit of a coup” weather they fall for it like we did or not is another thing.
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I think a few clubs will be interested in Hiwula and we should get a decent fee given he's scored 10+ goals in the past 3 seasons consecutively (again begs the question why are we letting him go).

No one in their right mind is going to take Kastaneer - even on loan.
 
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ccfc92

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #40
0-0 HT
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #41
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Either it’s the most boring game of football ever or the club have forgot about it as there’s been no update in 44 minutes
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4-3 half time (joking!)
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #42
1-0 down
 

ccfc92

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #43
0-1 Cardiff
 

cc84cov

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #44
SkyBlueCRJ said:
I think a few clubs will be interested in Hiwula and we should get a decent fee given he's scored 10+ goals in the past 3 seasons consecutively (again begs the question why are we letting him go).

No one in their right mind is going to take Kastaneer - even on loan.
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Be lucky to get 250k for hiwula that would be very good business isn’t he out of contract in the summer ?
 
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Magwitch

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #45
cc84cov said:
Be lucky to get 250k for hiwula that would be very good business isn’t he out of contract in the summer ?
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Out of contract isn’t he ? Be lucky to get any fee I’d think
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #46
cc84cov said:
Be lucky to get 250k for hiwula that would be very good business isn’t he out of contract in the summer ?
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I think he'd warrant that - especially given that players hold a higher value in the January window as it's a sellers market. Yeah he's out of contract but Robins indicated he had a one-year extension.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #47
Ponticelli... no surprise there. Goal machine at that level.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #48
Anyone else think Hiwula is in our top 3 earners? Surely if hes not in Robins plans he'll be trying to ship him out
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #49
Oh god, a goal for Ponticelli. The Facebook nutters will be calling for him to start ahead of Godden on Saturday!
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #50
PVA said:
Oh god, a goal for Ponticelli. The Facebook nutters will be calling for him to start ahead of Godden on Saturday!
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To be honest it’s the same level people want to include Biamou’s goals
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #51
1-1 ponti
 

Briles

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #52
Good for Ponti, Been a bit of a non-season for him so far, glad to see him still working hard.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #53
So all 3 subs have been made and Wakefield was preferred to Kastaneer. It seems as if Robins/the club are saying if you want to waste my time I’ll waste a bit of yours
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #54
Full time 1-1
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #55
SlowerThanPlatt said:
To be honest it’s the same level people want to include Biamou’s goals
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Have a look at Max's goals per minutes on the pitch for first team this season. No need for digs at him.
Top Scorers - Coventry City - Football - BBC Sport
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #56
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Have a look at Max's goals per minutes on the pitch for first team this season. No need for digs at him.
Top Scorers - Coventry City - Football - BBC Sport
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The point was that we should include his 3 goals against Southampton youth team
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #57
Transfers don't work out, I can accept that - even if a club spent upwards of £50M on a player there's no guarantees. But from Badlan's perspective I'd just love to know what the attraction was with Kastaneer. He claimed to have followed him for years too so I just can't get my head around it.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #58
SlowerThanPlatt said:
The point was that we should include his 3 goals against Southampton youth team
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But include them for what? In terms of whether it indicates he is playing well is all that matters, surely? Bit daft not to take into account a hat trick. If Kastaneer had scored a hat trick against them, we would all have been saying 'he's got something about him', wouldn't we?
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #59
SkyBlueCRJ said:
Transfers don't work out, I can accept that - even if a club spent upwards of £50M on a player there's no guarantees. But from Badlan's perspective I'd just love to know what the attraction was with Kastaneer. He claimed to have followed him for years too so I just can't get my head around it.
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From what I read he was wanted by Huddersfield a few years ago and he hoped he could fulfil his potential here. However, most of the time this isn’t how football works.

I can understand an U23 signing based on that logic where there’s little risk like Pask but to get one of your supposed key players on it is bizarre
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #60
SlowerThanPlatt said:
From what I read he was wanted by Huddersfield a few years ago and he hoped he could fulfil his potential here. However, most of the time this isn’t how football works.

I can understand an U23 signing based on that logic where there’s little risk like Pask but to get one of your supposed key players on it is bizarre
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If he was signed for the U23's I don't think anyone would've battered an eyelid. As for every Bouwe Bosma you'll get a Sam McCallum. But he literally came out and said he's Championship quality - which frankly just raises serious question marks over his processes for scouting overseas players.
 
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better days

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #61
SlowerThanPlatt said:
From what I read he was wanted by Huddersfield a few years ago and he hoped he could fulfil his potential here. However, most of the time this isn’t how football works.

I can understand an U23 signing based on that logic where there’s little risk like Pask but to get one of your supposed key players on it is bizarre
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Kastaneer is only 23
Probably seen as worth a punt when he signed
Don't know details of his contract but wouldn't be surprised if his agent brought him here in the hope that he'd make a big impression and clubs higher up the pyramid would come in
After a good start it's unfortunately not worked out for him
By all accounts he's a decent lad but seems to lack a 'football brain'
 
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Briles

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #62
SkyBlueCRJ said:
Transfers don't work out, I can accept that - even if a club spent upwards of £50M on a player there's no guarantees. But from Badlan's perspective I'd just love to know what the attraction was with Kastaneer. He claimed to have followed him for years too so I just can't get my head around it.
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From what I have seen of Kastaneer he looks like a player who if he wanted to could be unplayable. He has raw power, quick feet and a good shot. It seems to be attitude/Fitness. Maybe he hasn't settled moving countries or doesn't like England in general. Badlan I guess took a punt knowing what he could do in the hoping Robins could get it out of him. He still might.
 
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SkyBlueCRJ

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #63
Briles said:
From what I have seen of Kastaneer he looks like a player who if he wanted to could be unplayable. He has raw power, quick feet and a good shot. It seems to be attitude/Fitness. Maybe he hasn't settled moving countries or doesn't like England in general. Badlan I guess took a punt knowing what he could do in the hoping Robins could get it out of him. He still might.
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All fair points but IMO that just goes to show Badlan didn't scout him thoroughly enough.
 
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Magwitch

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #64
You are correct Kasteneer is raw, I wouldn’t rule him out totally he’s shown glimpses of real ability but there seems to be a fitness issue.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #65
SkyBlueCRJ said:
If he was signed for the U23's I don't think anyone would've battered an eyelid. As for every Bouwe Bosma you'll get a Sam McCallum. But he literally came out and said he's Championship quality - which frankly just raises serious question marks over his processes for scouting overseas players.
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I see your point, but you get players signed for £30/30/50m and turn out to be complete disasters, nowhere near the level required.

Sometimes it is bad scouting, sometimes it just happens for no obvious reason. Maybe the player had a freak purple patch once in his career.

There is obviously a good player in Kastaneer, we just haven't seen it yet (apart from that brilliant goal), and maybe we never will.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #66
Magwitch said:
You are correct Kasteneer is raw, I wouldn’t rule him out totally he’s shown glimpses of real ability but there seems to be a fitness issue.
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It seems as if Robins has.

Putting him in the 23s today and not even giving him any minutes is a sign of a manager trying to piss a player off and force them out
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #67
SlowerThanPlatt said:
It seems as if Robins has.

Putting him in the 23s today and not even giving him any minutes is a sign of a manager trying to piss a player off and force them out
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Or it's simply a sign of a manager just not picking him for this game. As bad as that reflects on the player, it doesn't necessarily mean the manager is trying to 'piss him off'.
 

Briles

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #68
Out of Interest, why did they stop calling them reserves and change it to u23s? Anyone know?
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #69
PVA said:
Or it's simply a sign of a manager just not picking him for this game. As bad as that reflects on the player, it doesn't necessarily mean the manager is trying to 'piss him off'.
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It would indicate he’s not part of the first team picture - even Wakefield who I can’t remember playing a minute for us this season gets on ahead of him
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 20, 2020
  • #70
SlowerThanPlatt said:
It would indicate he’s not part of the first team picture - even Wakefield who I can’t remember playing a minute for us this season gets on ahead of him
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Oh I agree on that. I'm just saying that I don't think that necessarily means Robins is intentionally trying to piss Kasta off, it just means he doesn't think hes good enough (now/yet), which is a different thing.
 
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