Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (31 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Talking of Nazis ... has anyone seen Frank Sanazi? Not sure how much you could do with that character, but seen an initial 10 mins of him online, but worth a watch on YT.

Edit: think the act might be a few years old, just came up on my feed, so I'm late to the party on it. Made me laugh anyway.

I always wondered why Lampard was giving cheeky Sieg Heils every time we’ve won a game.

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

Fuentes has openly expressed support for Hitler alongside fatso-level anti Semitism. Trump is a traditional fascist, more of a Mussolini type.

Ok, what's the difference between Mussolini and Hitler in your view? If you'd studied the origins of fascist parties, you'd find that they are often formed as a result of a split with a 'socialist' parties...

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

So they've apologised for that.

The question you really want to ask yourself, is whether it's unfair of the BBC to portray Trump as someone who tried to overturn the results of a free and fair election?

As to the bias thing, is it possible that this isn't really about BBC bias, it's about them talking about things that you'd rather they didn't? That isn't bias, old chap, that's you taking offence at something you'd rather not see on the TV.

The question I asked myself was why an impartial news organization that has a venerable place in world news should lower itself to put out a doctored news item?
Trump is probably the greatest ever news source and needs no help in digging a hole for himself. The BBC shouldn’t descend to his level.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ok, what's the difference between Mussolini and Hitler in your view? If you'd studied the origins of fascist parties, you'd find that they are often formed as a result of a split with a 'socialist' parties...

Ah, I see we’re getting close to another textbook offer! Rabid anti Semitism and the attempts to commit genocide would be some very obvious differences.

 

[Grendel]

Ah, I see we’re getting close to another textbook offer! Rabid anti Semitism and the attempts to commit genocide would be some very obvious differences.

Some historians do believe that the actual anti semite movement was started by socialists - the biggest culprit of mass murder and genocide was certainly a communist

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Ah, I see we’re getting close to another textbook offer! Rabid anti Semitism and the attempts to commit genocide would be some very obvious differences.

We know the obvious racial policy differences. But, since you're throwing around terms, broadly speaking the economic differences are surprisingly sparse and both of whom nationalised a lot of Italian/German industries and, broadly speaking state control, state planning and centralisation of the economy is something we associate more with 'left wing' (statist) economics.

Why do you think think people describe the political spectrum as an 'inverted U?' It's because if you take 'Marxist' USSR under Stalin and 'fascist' Germany and Italy, you see a lot of similarities.

How you come to the conclusion that Trump is a 'fascist' is beyond me. If you want to accuse of him of having 'dictatorial tendencies' or being 'authoritarian', we'd find some common ground. Fascism is a specific set of principles that, frankly, Trump does not hold. It's just as ridiculous for anyone to call Kamala Harris a 'communist' or 'Marxist'.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We know the obvious racial policy differences. But, since you're throwing around terms, broadly speaking the economic differences are surprisingly sparse and both of whom nationalised a lot of Italian/German industries and, broadly speaking state control, state planning and centralisation of the economy is something we associate more with 'left wing' (statist) economics.

Why do you think think people describe the political spectrum as an 'inverted U?' It's because if you take 'Marxist' USSR under Stalin and 'fascist' Germany and Italy, you see a lot of similarities.

How you come to the conclusion that Trump is a 'fascist' is beyond me. If you want to accuse of him of having 'dictatorial tendencies' or being 'authoritarian', we'd find some common ground. Fascism is a specific set of principles that, frankly, Trump does not hold. It's just as ridiculous for anyone to call Kamala Harris a 'communist' or 'Marxist'.

Is this going to morph into an attempt to call the Nazis left wing? The racial policy differences are what I say distinguishes Fuentes from Trump.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Some historians do believe that the actual anti semite movement was started by socialists - the biggest culprit of mass murder and genocide was certainly a communist

It is leftists who unironically call conservatives 'fascist' when the ideology developed as a result of splits in the socialist movement over support for WW1...

Is this going to morph into an attempt to call the Nazis left wing?

No, its just pretty clear you don't really understand the development of fascism and what it actually is. Otherwise, you wouldn't call Trump a fascist.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It is leftists who unironically call conservatives 'fascist' when the ideology developed as a result of splits in the socialist movement over support for WW1...


No, it’s just pretty clear you don't really understand the development of fascism and what it actually is. Otherwise, you wouldn't call Trump a fascist.

You support the guy so don’t want to put him in a category where he ticks the boxes. It’s ok.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Some historians do believe that the actual anti semite movement was started by socialists - the biggest culprit of mass murder and genocide was certainly a communist

Who is the most famous anti Semite in your view?

 

[rob9872]

Ok, what's the difference between Mussolini and Hitler in your view? If you'd studied the origins of fascist parties, you'd find that they are often formed as a result of a split with a 'socialist' parties...

Reminds me of a joke:

Hitler and Mussolini are sitting at a bar. A guy walks into the bar and asks the barkeeper "Aren't those two Hitler and Mussolini?" Barkeeper confirms. The guy sits next to them and asks: What are you guys doing?

Hitler answers: - We're planning WW3
-Oh really? What will happen?
-We will kill 15m Jews and a bike mechanic.
-A bike mechanic?
Hitler turns to Mussolini and says: - see, told you no one would care about 15m Jews.

 

[PVA]

How many of these criteria does Trump meet?

Almost all of them I would say.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You support the guy so don’t want to put him in a category where he ticks the boxes. It’s ok.

What boxes does he tick? You keep saying this phrase without defining the rule of the game.

Fascism, like communism is a totalitarian ideology and frankly, if you want to make the argument the USA 'ticks the boxes' for a totalitarian state, be my guest - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

How many of these criteria does Trump meet?

Almost all of them I would say.

Ironically, most of this applies to socialism too...

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What boxes does he tick? You keep saying this phrase without defining the rule of the game.

Fascism, like communism is a totalitarian ideology and frankly, if you want to make the argument the USA 'ticks the boxes' for a totalitarian state, be my guest - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

I gave some examples at the outset but sure let's review. Ultra nationalist social and economic policies, intimidation of the press and judiciary, concentration of power into the hands of a dictatorial figure, efforts to prevent the transfer of power and interfere with free elections, attacks on political opponents (real, not imagined as you have argued that Biden did to him)...

But don't just take my word for it, his former chief of staff described him as a fascist going into last year's election:

"Well, looking at the definition of fascism: It's a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy."

I get that we never thought we'd be in a situation where we could describe the US president in these terms, but that's where we are. And if you take the blinkers off, you'd see that.

 

[PVA]

You don't have to murder millions of people to be fascist. That's not the definition.

 

[Grendel]

Ironically, most of this applies to socialism too...

Certainly applies to China

 

[Grendel]

How many of these criteria does Trump meet?

Almost all of them I would say.

What’s the source of this?

The Pol Pot guide to government?

 

[Grendel]

You don't have to murder millions of people to be fascist. That's not the definition.

How do those definitions not represent communism in your view?

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Trump is a traditional fascist, more of a Mussolini type.

Well you have previously confessed your political alignment with old Comrade Bernie Sanders and Zohran Mamdani, so fair to say your Overton Window is somewhat warped.

Entertaining though.

 

[Grendel]

What boxes does he tick? You keep saying this phrase without defining the rule of the game.

Fascism, like communism is a totalitarian ideology and frankly, if you want to make the argument the USA 'ticks the boxes' for a totalitarian state, be my guest - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Also then it says that NATO and the whole of the West are aligned with a Fascist state

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Also then it says that NATO and the whole of the West are aligned with a Fascist state

As @PVA shared earlier, the true definition of fascism is now, as Orwell called it back in 1946 ‘something not desirable’.

When you have UK parliamentarians are calling Shabana Mahmood’s policies ‘fascist’, its meaning has long since been debased.

 

[Grendel]

I see fascists all the time - Mahmood it seems is one as well.



Sutana is as thick as fuck. The most left leaning political leader in modern politics - and no doubt one of her heros - was great friends with old Enoch

 

[Grendel]

Hold your breath everyone.

Owen "I never really supported the IRA" Jones thinks - you've guessed it Macron is a Facsist enabler!

 

[Grendel]

Italy has adopted the much cooler title --- its run by NEO FASCISTS

How a right-wing party of neo-fascist roots became poised to lead Italy

The Brothers of Italy party has won the most votes in Italy's national election.

www.pbs.org

 

[LarryGrayson]

does anywon say leftist in the real world

 

[rob9872]

Hold your breath everyone.

Owen "I never really supported the IRA" Jones thinks - you've guessed it Macron is a Facsist enabler!

Oh god him! Ffs there are some annoying pricks on all sides of social media, but this guy is clear on my most hated list.

 

[fatso]

How many of these criteria does Trump meet?

Almost all of them I would say.

Almost as many as Starmer!

 

[Grendel]

does anywon say leftist in the real world

I fink sum bloak culled Mr Grimsdale sed in wance

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

does anywon say leftist in the real world

Yes. Would you prefer it if everyone to the left of Tony Blair was called ‘communist’ or ‘Stalinist?’

… Or constant euphemisms to ‘1930s Russia’ whenever Zach Polansk mentions a wealth tax…

 

[Grendel]

Yes. Would you prefer it if everyone to the left of Tony Blair was called ‘communist’ or ‘Stalinist?’

… Or constant euphemisms to ‘1930s Russia’ whenever Zach Polansk mentions a wealth tax…

I Fink I nede to go und luck at me mates in Warmington on Sea to cee wot they fink

 

[LarryGrayson]

Yes. Would you prefer it if everyone to the left of Tony Blair was called ‘communist’ or ‘Stalinist?’

… Or constant euphemisms to ‘1930s Russia’ whenever Zach Polansk mentions a wealth tax…

they dont its a made up word by peeple who sit on the internet all day and night

 

[PVA]

What’s the source of this?

The Pol Pot guide to government?

For someone who claims they don't care what happens in the US, you sure do spend a lot of time defending the US President in what is the de facto US politics thread.

 

[Grendel]

Oh god him! Ffs there are some annoying pricks on all sides of social media, but this guy is clear on my most hated list.

The F word is coming here - be careful

 

[Grendel]

For someone who claims they don't care what happens in the US, you sure do spend a lot of time defending the US President in what is the de facto US politics thread.

Eh? Its Starmer who defends him and you support Starmer!