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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Im struggling tbh, there's examples of bias everywhere you look unfortunately. But it goes to a completely different level when im forced to pay for an organisation who re-edits a world leaders speech to fit their own agenda.

At least im not forced to fund ITV news or Sky news or Fox news etc etc.

Very interesting opening remark you make, what "team" would you be taking one for i wonder? 🤔
But having that funding model increases the likelihood of bias and agenda, because you're going to listen and parrot what the people giving you the money want.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Im struggling tbh, there's examples of bias everywhere you look unfortunately. But it goes to a completely different level when im forced to pay for an organisation who re-edits a world leaders speech to fit their own agenda.

At least im not forced to fund ITV news or Sky news or Fox news etc etc.

Very interesting opening remark you make, what "team" would you be taking one for i wonder? 🤔
Did they show him saying something that in fact he didn’t? Did they make it look like the speech was intended for something different to what it really was?

The answer to both questions is no.
 

rondog1973

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Didn't Trump say in the aftermath, of those who partook in the deadly assault that "We love you all, but it's time to go home now"?

Not exactly unequivocal condemnation of an assault on democracy hey?
 

Sick Boy

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Didn't Trump say in the aftermath, of those who partook in the deadly assault that "We love you all, but it's time to go home now"?

Not exactly unequivocal condemnation of an assault on democracy hey?
...and then released a song with them, pardoned them and released them from prison.
 

chiefdave

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But having that funding model increases the likelihood of bias and agenda, because you're going to listen and parrot what the people giving you the money want.
I think when people talk of getting rid of the BBC, which is essentially what you're saying if you want to get rid of the license fee, its very much a case of be careful what you wish for.

The BBC is so much more than its news output and while I have issues with some of the news & politics coverage it really is so much better than the alternatives.

Loose the BBC are your essentially leaving the provision of 'unbiased' news coverage to those who will pay to produce it and there's not many people paying to produce news coverage that aren't using it to further their own agenda.

Is something similar to Fox News really a better option?
 

Grendel

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Did they show him saying something that in fact he didn’t? Did they make it look like the speech was intended for something different to what it really was?

The answer to both questions is no.

Why do the edit at all then?
 

Grendel

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because his word salad rambles can last for hours 🤷🏻

that’s rubbish though isn’t it - it was an edit of words 54 minutes apart
 

oakey

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This story is not about Trump.
It's about systemic bias in reporting and the wider output of the BBC. They need to address that or they're in cyclical crisis mode and probably on the way out.
 

SBAndy

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Because they didn’t want that episode of Panorama to last three hours probably

I’m also failing to see the issue with this, though admittedly I haven’t seen the programme. Did the edit meaningfully alter what was actually said?

If we’re hopping aboard no editing being allowed then the news every night will be 15 hours long.
 

chiefdave

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I’m also failing to see the issue with this, though admittedly I haven’t seen the programme. Did the edit meaningfully alter what was actually said?

If we’re hopping aboard no editing being allowed then the news every night will be 15 hours long.
Not particularly. To give this some context the speech was on 6th January 2021, there isn't really much dispute apart from some hardcore MAGA supporters that the speech was inflammatory and contributed to the capital riots on 7th January 2021 . While there are some MAGA supporters who dispute that there are others that praise him for encouraging what occurred and his actions since in praising those who took part and pardoning them.

Lifted this from a fact checking site:
Donald Trump’s January 6, 2021 speech is widely linked to the Capitol breach: investigators, many defendants, and several analyses conclude the speech contributed to the events by repeating false election claims and urging action that many attendees interpreted as permission to march on the Capitol. Defenders cite lines urging peaceful protest and dispute claims of direct incitement, while legal scholars and prosecutors point to the crowd’s reaction and subsequent acts as critical context for assessing criminal liability.
The program in question was broadcast on 28th October 2024 so its taken a year, and a leaked memo, for anyone to even mention the edit. You would expect with the speech in its entirety being readily available if there was a big issue it would have come to light quickly.

The reason it has come to light now is due to a leaked memo. Since Michael Prescott has no longer been in his advisory role at the BBC there have been several leaks, all the Telegraph, of memos he has authored. Given that we are all very keen to ensure there is no bias it is probably worth pointing out that Prescott is a Conservative lobbyist in a senior role at Hanover Communications. That is of course a company setup by Major's former director of communications and works closely with the Conservatives.

You can't have people wanting politics boiled down to 3 word slogans while at the same time complaining if anything is edited. The key is whether the edit changes context. Prescott's argument in the memo was that unless Trump was convicted of inciting the riot of 7th January it should not be discussed. I'm not sure current affairs programming has ever worked like that.
 

Captain Dart

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Not a conspiracy? 🤡
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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That can also be true. Two things can be true at once.
Of course the RW media have it in for the BBC. Doesn't give the BBC a free pass. The arrogance of the BBC commentariat marking their own homework is breathtaking.
Whatever its shortcomings, and it has plenty, the BBC is still one of the most impartial media organisations we have. People have laughed at this statement without offering a single example of one that does a better job in this respect.
 

SIR ERNIE

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For once I find myself agreeing with a Labour MP:

BBC has ‘whole history of bias’​

Graham Stringer, a Labour MP, called on the BBC to acknowledge that Mr Davie and Ms Turness resigned because of the corporation’s failings over bias and not because of a stitch-up.

He said: “The fact is the biggest danger to the BBC is the BBC. It’s got a whole history of bias, which it’s just failing to acknowledge. They’ve been the home of Europhiles, going back to the 1999 elections when there was an independent report on their bias in the European elections.

“You can see all the biases from biological nonsense about men and women, to Hamas and Gaza. There’s just so many questions that they are just failing to answer and blaming the Mail and The Telegraph is not going to get them there.”
 

Ccfcisparks

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The Don should get Tim Davie and deal with him the Ned Stark way.

If you come for the King you shouldn't miss.
 

rondog1973

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For once I find myself agreeing with a Labour MP:

BBC has ‘whole history of bias’​

Graham Stringer, a Labour MP, called on the BBC to acknowledge that Mr Davie and Ms Turness resigned because of the corporation’s failings over bias and not because of a stitch-up.

He said: “The fact is the biggest danger to the BBC is the BBC. It’s got a whole history of bias, which it’s just failing to acknowledge. They’ve been the home of Europhiles, going back to the 1999 elections when there was an independent report on their bias in the European elections.

“You can see all the biases from biological nonsense about men and women, to Hamas and Gaza. There’s just so many questions that they are just failing to answer and blaming the Mail and The Telegraph is not going to get them there.”
LINO
 

Grendel

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Grendel

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Whatever its shortcomings, and it has plenty, the BBC is still one of the most impartial media organisations we have. People have laughed at this statement without offering a single example of one that does a better job in this respect.

And to preserve that reputation this had to be dealt with
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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And to preserve that reputation this had to be dealt with
Pick a lane Grendel, the BBC either has a problem with impartiality or it doesn’t.

They haven’t shown him saying words he didn’t say and haven’t misled the audience about the motivation behind the speech or rally.

People are just upset that Trump’s words inciting violence were broadcast because it upsets their revisionist history that the election was actually ‘stolen’ and the rioters did nothing wrong.
 

Grendel

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Pick a lane Grendel, the BBC either has a problem with impartiality or it doesn’t.

They haven’t shown him saying words he didn’t say and haven’t misled the audience about the motivation behind the speech or rally.

People are just upset that Trump’s words inciting violence were broadcast because it upsets their revisionist history that the election was actually ‘stolen’ and the rioters did nothing wrong.

You are all over the place.

I can’t find a single person associated with the media defending this position. I was listening to Tessa Dunlop the historian and a fervent Trump critic and she said it’s a disgrace.

It’s editing a speech to distort it.
 

Grendel

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You can’t be looking very hard then.

Well I’ve heard a channel 4 spokesperson say it’s wrong, I’ve heard several people who used to work in the BBC say it’s wrong, I’ve heard an ex bbc employee and left wing Labour MP say it’s wrong, I’ve heard many anti Trump commentators say it’s wrong.

It’s frankly ridiculous that people are trying to defend it as it supports a narrative they believe in. The hilarious thing is the master of edits and misinformation- Trump - can now legitimately show the bbc are guilty of the same thing.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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You are all over the place.

I can’t find a single person associated with the media defending this position. I was listening to Tessa Dunlop the historian and a fervent Trump critic and she said it’s a disgrace.

It’s editing a speech to distort it.
Explain how it distorts it. My point all along has been that his speech was designed to whip his support up into a frenzy. That’s what he did.

People are upset at the evidence being there in front of them.
 

Grendel

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Explain how it distorts it. My point all along has been that his speech was designed to whip his support up into a frenzy. That’s what he did.

People are upset at the evidence being there in front of them.

He said we are going to “walk down the capital with our congressmen and women and cheer like hell” - he said that didn’t he?
 

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