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[bigfatronssba]

What the fuck are talking about.

You can find someone polarising and still think they shouldn't have been shot.

No one is justifying anything, now if you are just going to post nonsense like this can you please refrain from talking to me as I can't be bothered with nonsense like this.

Please explain the relevance of him being "polarising" at this exact moment in time?

 

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[Ccfcisparks]

No, its advice.

We all have a duty to not inflame situations.

Don't start trying to look for justifications as to why an innocent young Dad was murdered

it’s not justification, but there plenty of people questioning a shooters motive.

if you can’t see divisive comments that he made could have led to this in someone’s mind then you are thick

 

[David O'Day]

Please explain the relevance of him being "polarising" at this exact moment in time?

okay, i'm leaving this now as you clearly are looking for an online fight

 

[bigfatronssba]

I'm only going to say one more thing on this.

If when hearing this story, your thoughts on this have been anything but absolute sympathy for his family (no little girl should have to see her Daddy get murdered), then you're an absolute fucking monster

 

[David O'Day]

I'm only going to say one more thing on this.

If when hearing this story, your thoughts on this have been anything but absolute sympathy for his family (no little girl should have to see her Daddy get murdered), then you're an absolute fucking monster

thanks, no one has done otherwise but have a good day

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I'm only going to say one more thing on this.

If when hearing this story, your thoughts on this have been anything but absolute sympathy for his family (no little girl should have to see her Daddy get murdered), then you're an absolute fucking monster

again no evidence of that you are clearly making it up in your head

 

[Ccfcisparks]

discussion around the shooters motive will be a topic a lot of media outlets will be discussing over the next few days.

i expect ron will be having another paddy when they do

 

[shmmeee]

Do we know anything about the shooter yet?

 

[mmttww]

If when hearing this story, your thoughts on this have been anything but absolute sympathy for his family (no little girl should have to see her Daddy get murdered), then you're an absolute fucking monster

I've had plenty of thoughts about the shooting and what it could mean, what comes next, I'm worried.

You're saying there's an acceptable way to respond, one way of thinking is acceptable, anything else isn't.

Rhetoric like that plays a part in creating a climate within which people get killed for sharing an opinion.

a black and white, right and wrong, left and right, for and against reduction of debate to binary positions.

 

[ajsccfc]

FBI confirmed in the last few minutes that they've got the person in custody now, no other details yet other than it was from the roof of an academic building 300yds away.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

FBI confirmed in the last few minutes that they've got the person in custody now, no other details yet other than it was from the roof of an academic building 300yds away.

So likely not the guy that everyone has on video

 

[duffer]

It’s obvious that I’m arguing against the laws themselves.

It’s apparent that Duffer is happy for people to tweet ‘punch a fascist’ but not ‘punch a trans woman in the balls’. If you want to criminalise all violent speech, go ahead and do that. If you want to apply said rules only to people you disagree with, is just fundamentally wrong.

Again, you're literally making shit up. Can you read without moving your lips? Christ, school was wasted on some people.

Look again really, really carefully, and slowly and then come back and quote exactly where I've said the law should be applied differently to different people? Or where I've advocated violence against anyone? So it's not 'apparent' at all, that stuff is entirely a figment of your fevered imagination!

You've literally represented the opposite of I've what I've said, and then got all upset about it. It's utterly bizarre.

I've no problem with a reasonable debate on it, but if you're too fucking lazy to bother actually reading stuff, and are just going to make up things, that's not really going to work, is it?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Do we know anything about the shooter yet?

No but this was posted on Twitter yesterday which, with hindsight, is ominous.

 

[wingy]

Nobody would miss Twitter if it were taken down tomorrow.

So tax it, like it should be,all of them.

 

[ajsccfc]

So likely not the guy that everyone has on video

No I think he was confirmed as being released

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Again, you're literally making shit up. Can you read without moving your lips? Christ, school was wasted on some people.

Look again really, really carefully, and slowly and then come back and quote exactly where I've said the law should be applied differently to different people? Or where I've advocated violence against anyone? So it's not 'apparent' at all, that stuff is entirely a figment of your fevered imagination!

You've literally represented the opposite of I've what I've said, and then got all upset about it. It's utterly bizarre.

I've no problem with a reasonable debate on it, but if you're too fucking lazy to bother actually reading stuff, and are just going to make up things, that's not really going to work, is it?

I’ll put it this way then: should someone posting ‘punch a Nazi’ be arrested? My view is absolutely not.

You’ve said Graham Linehal was justifiably arrested for saying ‘punch a trans woman in the balls’.

 

[ajsccfc]

This thread suggests footage of someone on the roof and then in the replies another video apparently shows a figure running on the same roof just after the act

 

[bigfatronssba]

You're saying there's an acceptable way to respond, one way of thinking is acceptable, anything else isn't.

In the immediate aftermath, yes I am saying that.

Anything other than complete condemnation of the murder, and sympathy for the family is wrong.

 

[SHUNT31]

It wasn't him, he's just a nutjob but not that nutty

There’s now a video circulating of someone running across the roof opposite. Had my reservations it wasn’t him. I’m confident that was someone who was trained.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Some commenting that its interesting timing, especially with the birthday book coming out.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

In the immediate aftermath, yes I am saying that.

Anything other than complete condemnation of the murder, and sympathy for the family is wrong.

Point me to someone on hear who isnt condemning the murder

 

[mmttww]

In the immediate aftermath, yes I am saying that.

Anything other than complete condemnation of the murder, and sympathy for the family is wrong.

People's thoughts are their business. You're in sketchy territory when you're telling people how they should think, feel or respond to something.

 

[bigfatronssba]

People's thoughts are their business. You're in sketchy territory when you're telling people how they should think, feel or respond to something.

Not really
Natural human response to an innocent person being murdered should be pretty universal.
Something has gone wrong with society if it isn't

 

[bigfatronssba]

Point me to someone on hear who isnt condemning the murder

People who are dragging up old tweets of his, as though they have some relevance

 

[Ccfcisparks]

People who are dragging up old tweets of his, as though they have some relevance

It was a tweet last week.

 

[David O'Day]

Not really
Natural human response to an innocent person being murdered should be pretty universal.
Something has gone wrong with society if it isn't

Really, that shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of humanity and is just you seeking to impose your views on other people.

As no one on here has justified anything, in fact people have been the opposite I suggest you are looking for a fight and that is pretty wrong.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

People's thoughts are their business. You're in sketchy territory when you're telling people how they should think, feel or respond to something.

If Owen Jones was shot at a university event in cold blood, my reactions wouldn’t be any of the following:

- you can see why he was polarising [in reply to a controversial tweet]
- he had some pretty horrific views on ‘x, y and z’ things
- he was extreme/far left
- apologist for ‘x’ unpopular person

My reaction would be deeply sad because no one should be executed/murdered for their political views. Even the most despicable people on the extreme fringes.

An attack on free speech is fundamentally an attack on all of us.

 

[mmttww]

Something has gone wrong with society if it isn't

It's sh*t what's happened, but prescribing how folks can and can't react to this - or to anything - is sketchy.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

If Owen Jones was shot at a university event in cold blood, my reactions wouldn’t be any of the following:

- you can see why he was polarising [in reply to a controversial tweet]
- he had some pretty horrific views on ‘x, y and z’ things
- he was extreme/far left
- apologist for ‘x’ unpopular person

My reaction would be deeply sad because no one should be executed/murdered for their political views. Even the most despicable people on the extreme fringes.

An attack on free speech is fundamentally an attack on all of us.

Who has not reacted sad?

 

[bigfatronssba]

It's sh*t what's happened, but prescribing how people can and can't react to this - or to anything - is sketchy.

Not really, I'm entitled to express my opinion, and I know what is a normal reaction to a horrific murder

 

[David O'Day]

Not really, I'm entitled to express my opinion, and I know what is a normal reaction to a horrific murder

it's certainly not going online and trying to force people on a forum to think the same as you

 

[bigfatronssba]

it's certainly not going online and trying to force people on a forum to think the same as you

I actually came on here tonight because I expected it to be an oasis of sanity in an ever more crazy world.

I'm not sure it is though anymore

 

[mmttww]

Not really, I'm entitled to express my opinion, and I know what is a normal reaction to a horrific murder

No, you have an opinion on what a normal reaction is. I'm sad about it for lots of reasons, but you're telling me I have to be sad in a particular way or about particular parts of it, which is a bit mad to me.

 

[David O'Day]

I actually came on here tonight because I expected it to be an oasis of sanity in an ever more crazy world.

I'm not sure it is though anymore

you didn't mate but anyway good night

 

[Ccfcisparks]

No, you have an opinion on what a normal reaction is. I'm sad about it for lots of reasons, but you're telling me I have to be sad in a particular way or about particular parts of it, which is a bit mad to me.

People were saying earlier how refreshing it was in the way people were reacting on here