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Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (10 Viewers)

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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,001
Sky Blue Pete said:
You can’t just say dehumanising conservatives surely
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Sick Boy said:
Both sides in the US dehumanise each other massively.
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Republicans/conservatives are quick to brand ‘Marxist’ and ‘communist’ around far too liberally and it’s toxic in its own right. There were sinister undertones to how people spoke about Obama in office.

In the West, the word ‘Nazi’ and ‘fascist’ carries a lot more baggage than ‘communist’. Don’t believe me? I challenge someone to come forward and say they’d rather the stigma of being publicly called a ‘commie’ than being a labeled a ‘Nazi’. As a society, we haven’t really come to terms with horrors perpetuated by 20th century communism as we have with fascism. If you admire Hitler or Mussolini, you’re genuinely unhinged but you will get people trotting out the line ‘it’s not real socialism/communism’ when discussing the USSR.

In the run up to the election there was plenty of mainstream news channels denouncing Trump, his rallies and by extension his supporters ‘fascist-like’, ‘neo-Nazi’ and so on.
 
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Otis

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,002
Ccfcisparks said:
an even bigger pro israel voice that kirk was
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Have heard the name, but had no idea who he was.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,003
Otis said:
Have heard the name, but had no idea who he was.
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He basically follows the same overly religious Conservative rhetoric as Kirk and he tries to speak 10x faster than everyone else to make himself appear more intelligent than he actually is.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,004
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Republicans/conservatives are quick to brand ‘Marxist’ and ‘communist’ around far too liberally and it’s toxic in its own right. There were sinister undertones to how people spoke about Obama in office.

In the West, the word ‘Nazi’ and ‘fascist’ carries a lot more baggage than ‘communist’. Don’t believe me? I challenge someone to come forward and say they’d rather the stigma of being publicly called a ‘commie’ than being a labeled a ‘Nazi’. As a society, we haven’t really come to terms with horrors perpetuated by 20th century communism as we have with fascism. If you admire Hitler or Mussolini, you’re genuinely unhinged but you will get people trotting out the line ‘it’s not real socialism/communism’ when discussing the USSR.

In the run up to the election there was plenty of mainstream news channels denouncing Trump, his rallies and by extension his supporters ‘fascist-like’, ‘neo-Nazi’ and so on.
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Do you think he was wrong to release those who attacked the Capitol?
 
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mmttww

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,005
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
tries to speak 10x faster than everyone else to make himself appear more intelligent than he actually is.
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Exactly how I'd describe Shapiro. He's so smug, too!
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,006
mmttww said:
Exactly how I'd describe Shapiro. He's so smug, too!
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He publicly admits that he was bullied at school which I suspect is why he's such a bellend as he clearly has a lot of unresolved deep-seeded issues and has a giant chip on his shoulder as a result.

Hence why he now spends his life cherry picking people who are less knowledgeable than him to debate with on various topics to make himself feel validated.

It's quite sad really.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,007
Sick Boy said:
Do you think he was wrong to release those who attacked the Capitol?
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Let’s stay on topic please and whilst it’s something I disagree with, it doesn’t make Trump a neo-Nazi or fascist.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,008
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Let’s stay on topic please and whilst it’s something I disagree with, it doesn’t make Trump a neo-Nazi or fascist.
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You can’t seriously say you’re going to crack down on political violence after pardoning those you’ve essentially committed domestic terrorism. Until this sort of hypocrisy stops from both sides there it’ll continue.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,009
Captain Dart said:
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These are from BlueSky, hardly a clean environment is it.
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better ≠ perfect

the main point is on BlueSky you have to seek it out or follow people of that ilk. on twitter you can go on to see if we've signed anyone and have hate filled post after hate filled post
 
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duffer

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,010
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Republicans/conservatives are quick to brand ‘Marxist’ and ‘communist’ around far too liberally and it’s toxic in its own right. There were sinister undertones to how people spoke about Obama in office.

In the West, the word ‘Nazi’ and ‘fascist’ carries a lot more baggage than ‘communist’. Don’t believe me? I challenge someone to come forward and say they’d rather the stigma of being publicly called a ‘commie’ than being a labeled a ‘Nazi’. As a society, we haven’t really come to terms with horrors perpetuated by 20th century communism as we have with fascism. If you admire Hitler or Mussolini, you’re genuinely unhinged but you will get people trotting out the line ‘it’s not real socialism/communism’ when discussing the USSR.

In the run up to the election there was plenty of mainstream news channels denouncing Trump, his rallies and by extension his supporters ‘fascist-like’, ‘neo-Nazi’ and so on.
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Two quick points:

There's some reasonable stuff here, but do you understand the difference between socialism and communism? If you're struggling with that (and you are if you think they're the same thing) then your point about Russia doesn't entirely make sense.

Secondly, regarding Trump supporters being described as fascist in outlook: I hate to point it out to you, but at least some of them are - particularly a section of the people that tried to reverse the results of a democratic election. Are we supposed to avoid saying it because it might hurt their feelings?

Proud Boys - Wikipedia

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wingy

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,011
Helpful foreign country, change the news cycle
Tommo1993 said:
We often toy around with the idea of moving our lives over there in our latter years. I don’t think we’d have the stomach to settle with such massive cultural differences between us and them.
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You'd most likely assimilate.
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 11, 2025
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,013
Evo1883 said:
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looks like a student
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,014
Ccfcisparks said:
looks like a student
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Yeah FBI confirmed suspect was 'student age'.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,015
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Yeah FBI confirmed suspect was 'student age'.
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defo liberal then
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,016
That an american flag/gun shirt? could be a disguise but not the most liberal thing to weasr
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,017
Female, Trans both?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,018
wingy said:
Female, Trans both?
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looks trans and ethnic minority to me
 
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ajsccfc

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,019
Got to feel for that old chap who was in all the videos being carted off by police with his trousers down.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Sep 11, 2025
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ajsccfc said:
Got to feel for that old chap who was in all the videos being carted off by police with his trousers down.
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I think he was a distraction. Why else would he be shouting shoot me shoot me as soon as Kirk got shot
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 11, 2025
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ajsccfc said:
Got to feel for that old chap who was in all the videos being carted off by police with his trousers down.
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Apparently they were his work clothes, good target for a hostile crowd.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,022
Evo1883 said:
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Shared CV6
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 11, 2025
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Tommo1993 said:
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Fuck sake
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 11, 2025
  • #14,024
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Let’s stay on topic please and whilst it’s something I disagree with, it doesn’t make Trump a neo-Nazi or fascist.
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No, what makes Trump a fascist are his words and actions.
 
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Briles

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  • Sep 12, 2025
  • #14,025
Political discourse is the cornerstone of any democracy. The ability to sit and discuss things with those with differing opinions is how voices are heard and change is made. Its not just about getting your point across, it's about learning to understand the thoughts and feelings of those with different life experiences, different social standings, different races, colours and creeds. It's only by learning how others perceive the world that true change can begin to happen. Social media is not the place for that as far too often it descends into chaos, mud slinging, and insults.

What Charlie Kirk did, whether you agree with his views or not, is show people that you can sit and have reasoned debate, face to face, and remain civil. The need to silence this kind of interaction stems purely from an inability to articulate, or understand your own or others feelings. I hope that his murder does not deter people from speaking out, collaborating, or listening ,because whichever political side you sit, the greatest weapon we have as humans is tolerance and understanding.

We don't have to always agree, but we can at least agree to disagree, a skill that seems to be disappearing rapidly at the moment.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Sep 12, 2025
  • #14,026
Briles said:
Political discourse is the cornerstone of any democracy. The ability to sit and discuss things with those with differing opinions is how voices are heard and change is made. Its not just about getting your point across, it's about learning to understand the thoughts and feelings of those with different life experiences, different social standings, different races, colours and creeds. It's only by learning how others perceive the world that true change can begin to happen. Social media is not the place for that as far too often it descends into chaos, mud slinging, and insults.

What Charlie Kirk did, whether you agree with his views or not, is show people that you can sit and have reasoned debate, face to face, and remain civil. The need to silence this kind of interaction stems purely from an inability to articulate, or understand your own or others feelings. I hope that his murder does not deter people from speaking out, collaborating, or listening ,because whichever political side you sit, the greatest weapon we have as humans is tolerance and understanding.

We don't have to always agree, but we can at least agree to disagree, a skill that seems to be disappearing rapidly at the moment.
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Great post
 
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mmttww

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  • Sep 12, 2025
  • #14,027
Briles said:
Political discourse is the cornerstone of any democracy. The ability to sit and discuss things with those with differing opinions is how voices are heard and change is made.
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I've seen people say this and I get it, but his actions away from events like the one in Utah don't support that idea at all (e.g. lists of educators he campaigned to get fired because he disagreed with their views).

Even at the events, he had 'Prove Me Wrong' written everywhere, and I haven't seen a moderator or chair or facilitator at any of them. Videos on his channel had titles about handing out Ls etc.

Just doesn't scream 'balanced debate' to me. He did a job of making it look like that, but I'm not convinced it was in good faith (no pun intended). Vibe was still about finding gotchas, not debating.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Sep 12, 2025
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mmttww said:
I've seen people say this and I get it, but his actions away from events like the one in Utah don't support that idea at all (e.g. lists of educators he campaigned to get fired because he disagreed with their views).

Even at the events, you can't ignore that he had 'Prove Me Wrong' written everywhere, and I haven't seen a moderator or chair or facilitator at any of them. Videos on his channel had titles about handing out Ls etc.
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Just admit you think it’s justified without trying to worm around it, at least the Majority that disagreed with him on here have the decency to say he didn’t deserve to die. You on the other hand mr gif man
 
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Briles

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  • Sep 12, 2025
  • #14,029
mmttww said:
I've seen people say this and I get it, but his actions away from events like the one in Utah don't support that idea at all (e.g. lists of educators he campaigned to get fired because he disagreed with their views).

Even at the events, you can't ignore that he had 'Prove Me Wrong' written everywhere, and I haven't seen a moderator or chair or facilitator at any of them. Videos on his channel had titles about handing out Ls etc.
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The thing is he invited people with different views to air them at him in a public setting, that's more than a lot of people do. He never silenced anyone. Was he perfect? No, but who is.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Sep 12, 2025
  • #14,030
Briles said:
The thing is he invited people with different views to air them at him in a public setting, that's more than a lot of people do. He never silenced anyone
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He’s just happy it happened without saying it
 
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Briles

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  • Sep 12, 2025
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SkyBlueDom26 said:
He’s just happy it happened without saying it
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Said to my mate the other day, if we silenced racists, bigots and terrorists, how would we know where they are?
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Sep 12, 2025
  • #14,032
Briles said:
Said to my mate the other day, if we silenced racists, bigots and terrorists, how would we know where they are?
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Tbh he isn’t any of them things, just someone who spoke his mind and got assassinated for it
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 12, 2025
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SkyBlueDom26 said:
He’s just happy it happened without saying it
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no, he's allowed to say he didn't agree with his claims he was about debate.
 

Briles

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  • Sep 12, 2025
  • #14,034
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Tbh he isn’t any of them things, just someone who spoke his mind and got assassinated for it
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Oh no I'm not saying he is, its just the idea of silencing people. As if it doesn't force dangerous ideas underground instead of being out in the open.
 

mmttww

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  • Sep 12, 2025
  • #14,035
Briles said:
The thing is he invited people with different views to air them at him in a public setting, that's more than a lot of people do. He never silenced anyone. Was he perfect? No, but who is.
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He did, but the way he presented the results was to score points and stoke the flames, demean people who did turn up. Outside of his events, he actively sought to silence people through doxxing academics he disagreed with.
 
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