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[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Let us wait to see the facts before we go with the Fox news talking head who's evidence it was a professional hit is it was planned and the shooter planned an escape route.

A lot of what this chap is coming out with re. Trump's shooter is factually incorrect.

Crooks planned the shooting well in advance, yet he makes out like he just rocked up on a whim and was wandering about aimlessly.

He visited the fairgrounds where the rally was held and flew a drone over the site on the day of the attack, he researched past assassinations and specifically looked for the location of where Trump's speaking position would be.

The two shootings are also incomparable. The level of security at the campus would've been minor compared to Trump's rally in Pennsylvania (even though that was a bit lackluster) therefore it obviously would be much easier for the shooter to evade detection, especially with the amount of crowd hysteria.

 

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[David O'Day]

Above the shoulders and 99/100 times you’ve got a kill anyway. Rules out nothing tbf.

nah, a pro is surely going to hit a non moving target in the head from 130m

it's most likely just someone angry with Charlie Kirk for some reason.

 

[Sick Boy]

What I don’t get is how them rooftops weren’t scanned for this sort of thing, especially after trump. Seen multiple videos of the killer on the roof and nobody doing anything

I read there was no security at the event either, which considering their gun laws is mad.

 

[David O'Day]

I read there was no security at the event either, which considering their gun laws is mad.

I guess no one expected this in a small town in a very conservative state

 

[Evo1883]

If he was shot in the neck that troubles me, would a professional at what is seemingly not a large distance not hit him in the head? Or take a 2nd shot?

I believe snipers try to shoot upper torso

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

I believe snipers try to shoot upper torso

Yeah they'll aim for centre mass to maximise the chance of hitting their target.

 

[Evo1883]

Could have been Dave down the road who did it , just said what I think tbh , its never gospel

 

[David O'Day]

Yeah they'll aim for centre mass to maximise the chance of hitting their target.

so they didn't hit the upper torso

 

[David O'Day]

I believe snipers try to shoot upper torso

so they didn't hit the upper torso

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Mossad inside job apparently according to david icke

 

[David O'Day]

All the talk of professional hits etc is a tad off to be fair.

I think everyone should wait until they even know who did it first at least.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

so they didn't hit the upper torso

I'm aware. I'm saying that's what professional snipers are instructed to aim for.

I don't believe it was a hit and there's nothing to suggest really that it was.

It was more than likely a self-taught internet shooter who had a grievance with Kirk's views.

 

[David O'Day]

I'm aware. I'm saying that's what professional snipers are instructed to aim for.

I don't believe it was a hit and there's nothing to suggest really that it was.

It was more than likely a self-taught internet shooter who had a grievance with Kirk's views.

I agree, that does seem the most likely reason.

 

[David O'Day]

On a side note when researching how far trained snipers can kill from I discovered that a sniper from Ukraine killed not 1 but 2 Russian soldiers with 1 shout from about 2.5 miles away just last month.

That is pretty mental to think about.

 

[Otis]

Mossad inside job apparently according to david icke

He would have said lizards, but he knows they can't point the gun properly, because of their tiny little arms

 

[Evo1883]

so they didn't hit the upper torso

Could have seen he was wearing a plate and aimed higher

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Mad situation in general, tensions are just high I guess. What do you think will come from all of this?

more hate less empathy more death more confusion and greater political polarity

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

How can this be? Trump says it’s someone on the political left

 

[David O'Day]

Could have seen he was wearing a plate and aimed higher

or he could of not

we will see when they find out what happened

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

How can this be? Trump says it’s someone on the political left

A) For a former FBI Agent this chap has very loose knowledge of Trump's shooting which discredits him almost immediately as he bases half his argument on it.

B) A quick Google search shows he runs a risk management firm so likely putting his face out there for some self promoting.

C) This is Fox News.

Probably wise to not take this chap's opinion as gospel. I'm sure more will come out in the coming days.

 

[Evo1883]

or he could of not

we will see when they find out what happened

Its just an opinion David

 

[Captain Dart]

you said you think it is a professional hit

A very well selected firing point in a building, a very accurate shot and the shooter has escaped. It's all very Day of the Jackal is it not.

 

[Tommo1993]

Could be a professional in the true sense of the word

 

[David O'Day]

A very well selected firing point in a building, a very accurate shot and the shooter has escaped. It's all very Day of the Jackal is it not.

no, not really it's a roof a short distance away, a shot a practiced amateur can make and there was no security at all.

 

[David O'Day]

Its just an opinion David

So is mine, if I'm wrong so be it

 

[duffer]

Despite record sums of money, the NHS is failing. We’re falling behind other countries.

It’s clear it needs some time of modernisation/reform, yet any attempts to do that are branded as privatisation by some. Meanwhile the NHS falls down international league tables every year

A common misunderstanding, oft quoted by those who claim the NHS offers significantly worse value for money than other countries.

That many go on to use that 'misunderstanding' to advocate for politicians who favour a privatised, for-profit, NHS, is perhaps worth noting.

Below, some detailed analysis on the figures. You'll note the per capita spend for the NHS is relatively reasonable when compared to other countries.

No one is saying there isn't room for improvement, most governments try, but the idea that you can 'reform' your way to a substantially cheaper way of providing universal healthcare, doesn't seem to be borne out by the actual figures elsewhere.

Are other health systems more cost-effective than the NHS?

We must read past headline figures for a better sense of how the NHS is doing on spend and performance compared to international health systems.

www.nhsconfed.org

 

[Mcbean]

Need to get Reacher in to track him down

 

[Captain Dart]

Bluesky is far far better in terms of your entire feed not being overrun with stuff that is a long way from your interests. I have zero news & politics on my twitter yet get inundated with right wing stuff.

My Bluesky is pretty much 100% news and politics and doesn't suffer from the same problem. Although that brings with it another problem unless you're happy being in an echo chamber.

One of the reasons I like off topic here, when it's not a shitshow, is that it's not an echo chamber.

These are from BlueSky, hardly a clean environment is it.

 

[Otis]

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These are from BlueSky, hardly a clean environment is it.

Who's Ben Shapiro?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Who's Ben Shapiro?

an even bigger pro israel voice that kirk was

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

This thread proves that there just can't and won't ever be and kind of discourse between left and right leaning individuals.

Charlie Kirk came out with a lot of pretty batshit things, that's undeniable. He was the poster boy for American Conservatism and genuinely some of his views were like he was sucked out of 1957 - largely to whip up right wing hysteria while farming clicks/views to monetise his political influencer career. I very much doubt he believed half of the rhetoric he came out with.

But fundamentally what happened yesterday was abhorrent. Right or left you should be allowed to air your views without the concern of violence coming your way, least of all on the horrific scale of what happened to Charlie.

What's happening in the US is pretty concerning to say the least. The polarised gulf between both ends of the spectrum is getting wider and these incidents only serve to increase that gap and entrench partisan views further.

I do feel it's lost as a country and the increasing tension which is building is only going to end in more mindless violence being committed.

We’re heading the same way, John McDonnell called Reform a proto-fascist organisation. Many on the left would routinely denounce Farage as ‘far right’. In reality, they are the Tory party of the 80-90s.

It’s the same with Trump and Musk, where these repeated attenpts to call them ‘nazis’, ‘fascists dictatorships’ have real consequences. The chilling polling that Charlie Kirk reposted in April found that where increasing amounts who self-identify as ‘centre-left’ felt it could ‘somewhat justified’ to assassinate Trump/Musk (around 55% for Trump, 45% for Musk). This polling was done by Fox and whilst it may have flaws in the data/methodology, it was really deceiving.

On that, Louder with Crowder reporting the following and the FBI has supposedly confirmed some the details below:



If it turns out the bullets were carved with ‘trans and anti-fascist ideologies’, it shows how dehumanising conservatives has had a real consequence.

 

[Sick Boy]

We’re heading the same way, John McDonnell called Reform a proto-fascist organisation. Many on the left would routinely denounce Farage as ‘far right’. In reality, they are the Tory party of the 80-90s.

It’s the same with Trump and Musk, where these repeated attenpts to call them ‘nazis’, ‘fascists dictatorships’ have real consequences. The chilling polling that Charlie Kirk reposted in April found that where increasing amounts who self-identify as ‘centre-left’ felt it could ‘somewhat justified’ to assassinate Trump/Musk (around 55% for Trump, 45% for Musk). This polling was done by Fox and whilst it may have flaws in the data/methodology, it was really deceiving.

On that, Louder with Crowder reporting the following and the FBI has supposedly confirmed some the details below:



If it turns out the bullets were carved with ‘trans and anti-fascist ideologies’, it shows how dehumanising conservatives has had a real consequence.

Both sides in the US dehumanise each other massively.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We’re heading the same way, John McDonnell called Reform a proto-fascist organisation. Many on the left would routinely denounce Farage as ‘far right’. In reality, they are the Tory party of the 80-90s.

It’s the same with Trump and Musk, where these repeated attenpts to call them ‘nazis’, ‘fascists dictatorships’ have real consequences. The chilling polling that Charlie Kirk reposted in April found that where increasing amounts who self-identify as ‘centre-left’ felt it could ‘somewhat justified’ to assassinate Trump/Musk (around 55% for Trump, 45% for Musk). This polling was done by Fox and whilst it may have flaws in the data/methodology, it was really deceiving.

On that, Louder with Crowder reporting the following and the FBI has supposedly confirmed some the details below:



If it turns out the bullets were carved with ‘trans and anti-fascist ideologies’, it shows how dehumanising conservatives has had a real consequence.

You can’t just say dehumanising conservatives surely

 

[TomRad85]

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These are from BlueSky, hardly a clean environment is it.

The batshit part of the left really hate Rowling don't they.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You can’t just say dehumanising conservatives surely

Both sides in the US dehumanise each other massively.

Republicans/conservatives are quick to brand ‘Marxist’ and ‘communist’ around far too liberally and it’s toxic in its own right. There were sinister undertones to how people spoke about Obama in office.

In the West, the word ‘Nazi’ and ‘fascist’ carries a lot more baggage than ‘communist’. Don’t believe me? I challenge someone to come forward and say they’d rather the stigma of being publicly called a ‘commie’ than being a labeled a ‘Nazi’. As a society, we haven’t really come to terms with horrors perpetuated by 20th century communism as we have with fascism. If you admire Hitler or Mussolini, you’re genuinely unhinged but you will get people trotting out the line ‘it’s not real socialism/communism’ when discussing the USSR.

In the run up to the election there was plenty of mainstream news channels denouncing Trump, his rallies and by extension his supporters ‘fascist-like’, ‘neo-Nazi’ and so on.