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Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (12 Viewers)

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bigfatronssba

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  • Yesterday at 11:13 PM
  • #13,686
David O'Day said:
What the fuck are talking about.

You can find someone polarising and still think they shouldn't have been shot.

No one is justifying anything, now if you are just going to post nonsense like this can you please refrain from talking to me as I can't be bothered with nonsense like this.
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Please explain the relevance of him being "polarising" at this exact moment in time?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:14 PM
  • #13,687
bigfatronssba said:
No, its advice.

We all have a duty to not inflame situations.

Don't start trying to look for justifications as to why an innocent young Dad was murdered
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it’s not justification, but there plenty of people questioning a shooters motive.

if you can’t see divisive comments that he made could have led to this in someone’s mind then you are thick
 

David O'Day

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  • Yesterday at 11:14 PM
  • #13,688
bigfatronssba said:
Please explain the relevance of him being "polarising" at this exact moment in time?
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okay, i'm leaving this now as you clearly are looking for an online fight
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Yesterday at 11:17 PM
  • #13,689
I'm only going to say one more thing on this.

If when hearing this story, your thoughts on this have been anything but absolute sympathy for his family (no little girl should have to see her Daddy get murdered), then you're an absolute fucking monster
 

David O'Day

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  • Yesterday at 11:20 PM
  • #13,690
bigfatronssba said:
I'm only going to say one more thing on this.

If when hearing this story, your thoughts on this have been anything but absolute sympathy for his family (no little girl should have to see her Daddy get murdered), then you're an absolute fucking monster
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thanks, no one has done otherwise but have a good day
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:20 PM
  • #13,691
bigfatronssba said:
I'm only going to say one more thing on this.

If when hearing this story, your thoughts on this have been anything but absolute sympathy for his family (no little girl should have to see her Daddy get murdered), then you're an absolute fucking monster
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again no evidence of that you are clearly making it up in your head
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:21 PM
  • #13,692
discussion around the shooters motive will be a topic a lot of media outlets will be discussing over the next few days.

i expect ron will be having another paddy when they do
 

shmmeee

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  • Yesterday at 11:24 PM
  • #13,693
Do we know anything about the shooter yet?
 

mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 11:28 PM
  • #13,694
bigfatronssba said:
If when hearing this story, your thoughts on this have been anything but absolute sympathy for his family (no little girl should have to see her Daddy get murdered), then you're an absolute fucking monster
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I've had plenty of thoughts about the shooting and what it could mean, what comes next, I'm worried.

You're saying there's an acceptable way to respond, one way of thinking is acceptable, anything else isn't.

Rhetoric like that plays a part in creating a climate within which people get killed for sharing an opinion.

a black and white, right and wrong, left and right, for and against reduction of debate to binary positions.
 
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ajsccfc

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  • Yesterday at 11:28 PM
  • #13,695
FBI confirmed in the last few minutes that they've got the person in custody now, no other details yet other than it was from the roof of an academic building 300yds away.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:30 PM
  • #13,696
ajsccfc said:
FBI confirmed in the last few minutes that they've got the person in custody now, no other details yet other than it was from the roof of an academic building 300yds away.
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So likely not the guy that everyone has on video
 

duffer

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  • Yesterday at 11:30 PM
  • #13,697
Mucca Mad Boys said:
It’s obvious that I’m arguing against the laws themselves.

It’s apparent that Duffer is happy for people to tweet ‘punch a fascist’ but not ‘punch a trans woman in the balls’. If you want to criminalise all violent speech, go ahead and do that. If you want to apply said rules only to people you disagree with, is just fundamentally wrong.
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Again, you're literally making shit up. Can you read without moving your lips? Christ, school was wasted on some people.

Look again really, really carefully, and slowly and then come back and quote exactly where I've said the law should be applied differently to different people? Or where I've advocated violence against anyone? So it's not 'apparent' at all, that stuff is entirely a figment of your fevered imagination!

You've literally represented the opposite of I've what I've said, and then got all upset about it. It's utterly bizarre.

I've no problem with a reasonable debate on it, but if you're too fucking lazy to bother actually reading stuff, and are just going to make up things, that's not really going to work, is it?
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Yesterday at 11:30 PM
  • #13,698
shmmeee said:
Do we know anything about the shooter yet?
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No but this was posted on Twitter yesterday which, with hindsight, is ominous.
 

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wingy

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  • Yesterday at 11:31 PM
  • #13,699
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Nobody would miss Twitter if it were taken down tomorrow.
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So tax it, like it should be,all of them.
 

ajsccfc

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  • Yesterday at 11:32 PM
  • #13,700
Ccfcisparks said:
So likely not the guy that everyone has on video
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No I think he was confirmed as being released
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Yesterday at 11:33 PM
  • #13,701
duffer said:
Again, you're literally making shit up. Can you read without moving your lips? Christ, school was wasted on some people.

Look again really, really carefully, and slowly and then come back and quote exactly where I've said the law should be applied differently to different people? Or where I've advocated violence against anyone? So it's not 'apparent' at all, that stuff is entirely a figment of your fevered imagination!

You've literally represented the opposite of I've what I've said, and then got all upset about it. It's utterly bizarre.

I've no problem with a reasonable debate on it, but if you're too fucking lazy to bother actually reading stuff, and are just going to make up things, that's not really going to work, is it?
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I’ll put it this way then: should someone posting ‘punch a Nazi’ be arrested? My view is absolutely not.

You’ve said Graham Linehal was justifiably arrested for saying ‘punch a trans woman in the balls’.
 

ajsccfc

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  • Yesterday at 11:33 PM
  • #13,702
This thread suggests footage of someone on the roof and then in the replies another video apparently shows a figure running on the same roof just after the act

 

bigfatronssba

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  • Yesterday at 11:34 PM
  • #13,703
mmttww said:
You're saying there's an acceptable way to respond, one way of thinking is acceptable, anything else isn't.
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In the immediate aftermath, yes I am saying that.

Anything other than complete condemnation of the murder, and sympathy for the family is wrong.
 

SHUNT31

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  • Yesterday at 11:35 PM
  • #13,704
David O'Day said:
It wasn't him, he's just a nutjob but not that nutty
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There’s now a video circulating of someone running across the roof opposite. Had my reservations it wasn’t him. I’m confident that was someone who was trained.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:36 PM
  • #13,705
Some commenting that its interesting timing, especially with the birthday book coming out.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:36 PM
  • #13,706
bigfatronssba said:
In the immediate aftermath, yes I am saying that.

Anything other than complete condemnation of the murder, and sympathy for the family is wrong.
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Point me to someone on hear who isnt condemning the murder
 

mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 11:37 PM
  • #13,707
bigfatronssba said:
In the immediate aftermath, yes I am saying that.

Anything other than complete condemnation of the murder, and sympathy for the family is wrong.
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People's thoughts are their business. You're in sketchy territory when you're telling people how they should think, feel or respond to something.
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Yesterday at 11:41 PM
  • #13,708
mmttww said:
People's thoughts are their business. You're in sketchy territory when you're telling people how they should think, feel or respond to something.
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Not really
Natural human response to an innocent person being murdered should be pretty universal.
Something has gone wrong with society if it isn't
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Yesterday at 11:42 PM
  • #13,709
Ccfcisparks said:
Point me to someone on hear who isnt condemning the murder
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People who are dragging up old tweets of his, as though they have some relevance
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:45 PM
  • #13,710
bigfatronssba said:
People who are dragging up old tweets of his, as though they have some relevance
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It was a tweet last week.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 11:45 PM
  • #13,711
bigfatronssba said:
Not really
Natural human response to an innocent person being murdered should be pretty universal.
Something has gone wrong with society if it isn't
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Really, that shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of humanity and is just you seeking to impose your views on other people.

As no one on here has justified anything, in fact people have been the opposite I suggest you are looking for a fight and that is pretty wrong.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Yesterday at 11:46 PM
  • #13,712
mmttww said:
People's thoughts are their business. You're in sketchy territory when you're telling people how they should think, feel or respond to something.
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If Owen Jones was shot at a university event in cold blood, my reactions wouldn’t be any of the following:

- you can see why he was polarising [in reply to a controversial tweet]
- he had some pretty horrific views on ‘x, y and z’ things
- he was extreme/far left
- apologist for ‘x’ unpopular person

My reaction would be deeply sad because no one should be executed/murdered for their political views. Even the most despicable people on the extreme fringes.

An attack on free speech is fundamentally an attack on all of us.
 
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mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 11:48 PM
  • #13,713
bigfatronssba said:
Something has gone wrong with society if it isn't
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It's sh*t what's happened, but prescribing how folks can and can't react to this - or to anything - is sketchy.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:48 PM
  • #13,714
Mucca Mad Boys said:
If Owen Jones was shot at a university event in cold blood, my reactions wouldn’t be any of the following:

- you can see why he was polarising [in reply to a controversial tweet]
- he had some pretty horrific views on ‘x, y and z’ things
- he was extreme/far left
- apologist for ‘x’ unpopular person

My reaction would be deeply sad because no one should be executed/murdered for their political views. Even the most despicable people on the extreme fringes.

An attack on free speech is fundamentally an attack on all of us.
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Who has not reacted sad?
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Yesterday at 11:49 PM
  • #13,715
mmttww said:
It's sh*t what's happened, but prescribing how people can and can't react to this - or to anything - is sketchy.
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Not really, I'm entitled to express my opinion, and I know what is a normal reaction to a horrific murder
 

David O'Day

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  • Yesterday at 11:51 PM
  • #13,716
bigfatronssba said:
Not really, I'm entitled to express my opinion, and I know what is a normal reaction to a horrific murder
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it's certainly not going online and trying to force people on a forum to think the same as you
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Yesterday at 11:53 PM
  • #13,717
David O'Day said:
it's certainly not going online and trying to force people on a forum to think the same as you
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I actually came on here tonight because I expected it to be an oasis of sanity in an ever more crazy world.

I'm not sure it is though anymore
 
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mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 11:54 PM
  • #13,718
bigfatronssba said:
Not really, I'm entitled to express my opinion, and I know what is a normal reaction to a horrific murder
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No, you have an opinion on what a normal reaction is. I'm sad about it for lots of reasons, but you're telling me I have to be sad in a particular way or about particular parts of it, which is a bit mad to me.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Yesterday at 11:54 PM
  • #13,719
bigfatronssba said:
I actually came on here tonight because I expected it to be an oasis of sanity in an ever more crazy world.

I'm not sure it is though anymore
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you didn't mate but anyway good night
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:55 PM
  • #13,720
mmttww said:
No, you have an opinion on what a normal reaction is. I'm sad about it for lots of reasons, but you're telling me I have to be sad in a particular way or about particular parts of it, which is a bit mad to me.
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People were saying earlier how refreshing it was in the way people were reacting on here
 
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