Brighton Sky Blue
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I would say death threats or wishing death or violence on specific people falls into that category too, I suppose it depends on how much of a free speech absolutist someone is.
I would say death threats or wishing death or violence on specific people falls into that category too, I suppose it depends on how much of a free speech absolutist someone is.Which is reasonable as that’s the only speech that can cause “harm”.
The people defending this with the line ‘it’s the law’ seem to not identify that the problem is the laws themself. They could easily be weaponised to prosecute people in other ways.
I would say death threats or wishing death or violence on specific people falls into that category too, I suppose it depends on how much of a free speech absolutist someone is.
They perhaps should have done is my point.Death threats against JK Rowling have not amounted to any actual custodial sentences have they?
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The phrase used is ‘credible’ threats. What that means exactly is open to debate which is why it can be argued the rules aren’t enforced with uniformity.They perhaps should have done is my point.
I’d wait until this has played out properly because Lucy Connolly is supposedly considering legal action against the police. The jist of it being that a) the misrepresented what she said to the CPS and b) manipulated her into pleading guilty. A police corruption unit is investigating statements she made. All that aside, it’s obvious that some of the sentences dished out to protesters last summer were disproportionately harsh. Again, compare that to some of the things chanted and disorder at pro-Palestine demos too. Starmer politically wanted to nip the disorder in the butt and show she was ‘tough’ in the face of the protest
Pete, Tony, a 31 month sentence for a deleted tweet (however distasteful) should not outrank violent crime. At the same time, this Labour government was responsible for releasing seasoned criminals early and new criminals convicted actual violent crimes given more lenient sentence is ridiculous to most people.
He hasn't been charged yet, so no.
Who was the tweet aimed at? No one specifically. It was an unfunny joke. Using your own logic, anyone who says 'punch a fascist in the face' would also constitute incitement. This, of course, would be ridiculous and a curtailment of free speech.
The man hasn't been charged with an offence (yet) so as of right now, there is no crime to answer for. What I would say, you may champion this example but the law its current form could be flipped and used against you. For example, should the police arrest the hundreds of people tweeting violent threats to JK Rowling (or anyone)?
You have displayed mysoginist behaviour many times on here.... so why would you want safe spaces for women all of a sudden?Calls me a nonce fanboy for things in the media that have no evidence yet doesn’t want women to have safe spaces and men in women’s toilets. Hahahaha fucking hell that’s so weird
The law has proscribed a Palestine Action a terrorist organisation. As @fernandopartridge has pointed out, arrests have spiked. As it’s the law, clearly they’re all terrorists who deserved to be arrested and/or charged, right?Again, you're mistaking your opinion for the law. Incitement to violence is against the law. Whether you think the law is correct or not is academic, the police have a duty to enforce it. If I called for someone to be assaulted, and it was a credible threat, then I couldn't complain if I was arrested. That's the law, it's very simple.
The tweet was aimed specifically at trans women. Specifically. Read it again. And then read his history on this issue. He is rabidly and persistently and publicly anti-trans. Then consider his lack of apology for it. So "unfunny joke", I don't think so, that's just a coward's way of trying to weasel out of it, imho, but the court can decide. It met the standard for arrest.
If you don't want to be arrested, don't advocate for violence would seen to be the sensible approach. Does that restrict your free speech in any way?
And this "oh they're appealing so they're not guilty" is a wilful misunderstanding. Connolly was found guilty. She called for the burning of hotels where there were immigrants, and admitted to being a racist. She did it at a time of very serious disorder, which I suspect was an aggravating factor.
She appealed, and lost her appeal. You might think the sentence was harsh, I'm not sure I'd agree, she quite literally called for a large number of people to be burnt to death when a significant number of people were clearly intent on trying to do exactly that.
Either way, same story, don't want to go to jail, don't tweet racist calls to kill people in the middle of racist rioting. It's hardly unreasonable.
Why she's become a hero to some people says more about them than perhaps you realise.
How annoying, because I am quite cross with my missus at the moment.Heard an interesting phrase on leading podcast from Alex chalk we must imprison criminals we’re scared of but we can’t imprison everyone we’re cross with
interesting idea
I mean the definition of misogynistic behaviour to a loser like you is calling a girl good looking, trans ‘women’ should never be allowed to use women’s bathrooms…..common sense ey?You have displayed mysoginist behaviour many times on here.... so why would you want safe spaces for women all of a sudden?
(Before you jump on it in your usual wumming style, and allege otherwise, I think these spaces are important)
I can only think of two places I've ever worked that didn't have mixed bathrooms, was never an issue.I mean the definition of misogynistic behaviour to a loser like you is calling a girl good looking, trans ‘women’ should never be allowed to use women’s bathrooms…..common sense ey?
Worth pointing out that the people such as those protesting at the weekend were protesting against the proscription and want PA removed from the list. So essentially they are protesting for a change in the law not saying the law shouldn't apply. Although the authorities have also repeatedly been told that they are arresting people who are highly unlikely to meet the threshold to be charged and even less likely to meet the threshold to be convicted which raises the issue of why so many people are being rounded up with the knowledge they won't be charged.The law has proscribed a Palestine Action a terrorist organisation. As @fernandopartridge has pointed out, arrests have spiked. As it’s the law, clearly they’re all terrorists who deserved to be arrested and/or charged, right?
Nah I’m just pointing out how CNN are making excuses for a murderer, conveniently you left that bit out. Rage bait? Sums you up if that’s your viewboosh firing up the Dom character early today to post the rage bait. Do you keep a tally of the bites you get?
The law has proscribed a Palestine Action a terrorist organisation. As @fernandopartridge has pointed out, arrests have spiked. As it’s the law, clearly they’re all terrorists who deserved to be arrested and/or charged, right?
With free speech, you apply the principle to all or you don’t actually have free speech.
‘Don’t want to go to jail, don’t tweet racism’ is a chilling Orwellian notion. You’ve confirmed the obvious, you don’t actually believe in free speech.
It’s obvious that I’m arguing against the laws themselves.Worth pointing out that the people such as those protesting at the weekend were protesting against the proscription and want PA removed from the list. So essentially they are protesting for a change in the law not saying the law shouldn't apply. Although the authorities have also repeatedly been told that they are arresting people who are highly unlikely to meet the threshold to be charged and even less likely to meet the threshold to be convicted which raises the issue of why so many people are being rounded up with the knowledge they won't be charged.
But overall that's different to saying it is wrong to enforce the law and sentence someone, who has pled guilty, in line with sentencing guidelines.
If you want to argue for a law or sentencing guidelines change then thats fine but the suggestion from some people that it shouldn't apply to some people is absurd.
Please try using grammar properly.... it helps people understand your hate filled points.I mean the definition of misogynistic behaviour to a loser like you is calling a girl good looking, trans ‘women’ should never be allowed to use women’s bathrooms…..common sense ey?
Hate filled points? You are the most hateful person on here. ‘Utter snowflake bellend’ haha only have to look at every single one of your posts to see that it’s a perfect description of yourself you twat.Please try using grammar properly.... it helps people understand your hate filled points.
Everything goes over you head, you utter snowflake bellend. Think before you type.
boosh firing up the Dom character early today to post the rage bait. Do you keep a tally of the bites you get?
The amount of clowns on here is hilarious, it’s funny looking from a real world perspective. Most think the England flag is racist and offensiveShocking comment. Rage bait.
Literally apparently my post was ‘rage bait’Shocking comment. Rage bait.
A young girl was murder for no reason and no other passengers helped her, one even recorded her last breathe on his phone. Sick c**t
Shocking comment. Rage bait.
Wanting to throw journalists in prison isn’t a fascist move at all tbf.CNN defending a murderer, an absolutely disgraceful tv channel. ‘This man was hurting’ trump should close that shite channel down and throw them in jail
Look forward to the sky blue talk saddos trying to defend him and CNN
What, by pointing out how CNN are making excuses for the killer? Any sane person would agree with it yet you think I’m stirring shit up, get a grip!It's what he does every day. What's sick is posting stories like that purely to stir sh*t up and shout at other posters.
You think what there saying is right then? They are a disgrace, no shock you’d side with them thoughWanting to throw journalists in prison isn’t a fascist move at all tbf
That last sentance is an outright lie you should withdraw that fella.Hate filled points? You are the most hateful person on here. ‘Utter snowflake bellend’ haha only have to look at every single one of your posts to see that it’s a perfect description of yourself you twat.
Only strange one here is you not wanting safe women spaces I find that slightly creepy
Utter snowflake bellend, never been a more fitting choice of words to describe you. You cry at almost every single post, sensitive soul.That last sentance is an outright lie you should withdraw that fella.
Clearly your failures include being unable to read and comprehend what I said originally about women safe spaces being important [I have a wife and a daughter unlike you....] reposted below you utter fcukwit....
( "Before you jump on it in your usual wumming style, and allege otherwise, I think these spaces are important")
I disagree with them, I just don’t think people should be put in prison for saying things I disagree with. You do.You think what there saying is right then? They are a disgrace, no shock you’d side with them though
You actually disagree with them? Fair play! Should try telling that to @mmttww who thinks it’s rage baiting, utterly patheticI disagree with them, I just don’t think people should be put in prison for saying things I disagree with. You do.
I can't believe there are people on here pleased about whats happenedThis is great news, would be a nice way to honour her and a small positive out of a truly shocking situation.
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