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Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (18 Viewers)

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Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 10:48 AM
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Surely Iran haven't just put all their nuclear equipment at one site. I'd imagine they will have more.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Today at 10:50 AM
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You can only really judge any actions on what happens next, I’m glad we haven’t been directly involved to date though. Also there’s a difference between trying to remove Iran’s nuclear capabilities (no major issue with US doing this if there was a serious threat) and regime change (not for us to get involved in)

So tricky to comment as we don’t know what Iran was or is willing to do/agree to through diplomatic means. I do wonder if they thought Trump was all bluster and called his bluff. …they should blame Wall St for calling him TACO ! seriously though, very strange that Trumps got involved in something like this as it goes against as lot of what he stands for and stood on at the election
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 10:51 AM
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Getting these vibes again!

This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-Americanism vs. No It Won’t
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 10:59 AM
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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Well it’s clear you don’t support trumps decision and therefore our ally
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Let’s look at what you wrote during Joe Biden’s presidency then.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 11:02 AM
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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Well if the aggressor isn’t agreeing to demands that need to be met then they can’t happen, but yeah let’s just let them keep threatening everyone
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You speak like there wasn’t already an agreement signed on this subject with Obama that Trump tore up.

Also like Iran weren’t already going to negotiations on it before Israel launched its attack. Lastly, also like people haven’t been claiming that Iran is on the verge of nukes for the past several decades.

The game here is about regime change, nothing else.
 
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tisza

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  • Today at 11:28 AM
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
You speak like there wasn’t already an agreement signed on this subject with Obama that Trump tore up.

Also like Iran weren’t already going to negotiations on it before Israel launched its attack. Lastly, also like people haven’t been claiming that Iran is on the verge of nukes for the past several decades.

The game here is about regime change, nothing else.
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Biden campaigned on getting the JCPOA back. Spent the term of his Presidency having numerous talks with Iran but couldn't get a deal done.
If anyone believes they can force a regime change then they are officially barking. Iraq, Libya & Afghanistan show the folly of that. The hardcore supporters of the Islamic regime are fuelled by religious zeal - completely dissimilar to the family & tribe structure of the Iraqi & Libyan regimes.
 
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Macca

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  • Today at 11:29 AM
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
You speak like there wasn’t already an agreement signed on this subject with Obama that Trump tore up.

Also like Iran weren’t already going to negotiations on it before Israel launched its attack. Lastly, also like people haven’t been claiming that Iran is on the verge of nukes for the past several decades.

The game here is about regime change, nothing else.
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Iran returning to pre 1979 days would be a win
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 11:35 AM
  • #12,083
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You speak like there wasn’t already an agreement signed on this subject with Obama that Trump tore up.

Also like Iran weren’t already going to negotiations on it before Israel launched its attack. Lastly, also like people haven’t been claiming that Iran is on the verge of nukes for the past several decades.

The game here is about regime change, nothing else.
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Honest brokers Iran wouldn’t break agreements. They have been breaking inspection rules for decades - funnily enough Trump with his entourage around him reminded me of Obama when he grinned like a Cheshire Cat announcing the death of Bin laden as if he’d pulled the trigger himself.

According to the Ambassador this morning our human rights are as bad as Irans - nothing to see here.

Iran is a pariah state with no friends even in the rest of the Middle East. The silence around this action from the other states is deafening,
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 11:41 AM
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Grendel said:
funnily enough Trump with his entourage around him reminded me of Obama when he grinned like a Cheshire Cat announcing the death of Bin laden as if he’d pulled the trigger himself.
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Yeah this didn’t happen, sorry.

Feel free to prove me wrong with a picture of Obama grinning, I’m sure someone filmed it.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 11:43 AM
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Grendel said:
Honest brokers Iran wouldn’t break agreements. They have been breaking inspection rules for decades - funnily enough Trump with his entourage around him reminded me of Obama when he grinned like a Cheshire Cat announcing the death of Bin laden as if he’d pulled the trigger himself.

According to the Ambassador this morning our human rights are as bad as Irans - nothing to see here.

Iran is a pariah state with no friends even in the rest of the Middle East. The silence around this action from the other states is deafening,
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The bin laden documentary was interesting. I'm sure it showed Obama actually very subdued after Bin Laden was murdered.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Today at 11:46 AM
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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Well if the aggressor isn’t agreeing to demands that need to be met then they can’t happen, but yeah let’s just let them keep threatening everyone
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Hard to tell which side you're talking about here given a couple of weeks ago Iran's lead negotiator, Shamkhani, stated that a deal had been offered to Trump, essentially a return to JCPOA that Trump had pulled out of, seemingly for no other reason than it was negotiated by Obama and Trump couldn't handle him getting the credit.
Iran is ready to sign a nuclear deal with certain conditions with President Donald Trump in exchange for lifting economic sanctions, a top adviser to Iran’s supreme leader told NBC News on Wednesday.

Ali Shamkhani, a top political, military and nuclear adviser to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, is one of the most senior Iranian officials to speak publicly about the ongoing discussions.

He said Iran would commit to never making nuclear weapons, getting rid of its stockpiles of highly enriched uranium which can be weaponized, agree to enrich uranium only to the lower levels needed for civilian use, and allow international inspectors to supervise the process, in exchange for the immediate lifting of all economic sanctions on Iran.

Asked if Iran would agree to sign an agreement today if those conditions were met, Shamkhani said, “Yes.”
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Next step that was taken was to kill Shamkhani.
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 11:49 AM
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Ccfcisparks said:
The bin laden documentary was interesting. I'm sure it showed Obama actually very subdued after Bin Laden was murdered.
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He’s either drowsy or just making it up
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 11:50 AM
  • #12,088
Grendel said:
Honest brokers Iran wouldn’t break agreements. They have been breaking inspection rules for decades - funnily enough Trump with his entourage around him reminded me of Obama when he grinned like a Cheshire Cat announcing the death of Bin laden as if he’d pulled the trigger himself.

According to the Ambassador this morning our human rights are as bad as Irans - nothing to see here.

Iran is a pariah state with no friends even in the rest of the Middle East. The silence around this action from the other states is deafening,
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They had signed the agreement and were complying with it.

To reiterate, Iran has been apparently on the verge of creating nuclear weapons for the past 30 years.

This is akin to going into a bar, beating some random up like Begbie in Trainspotting then shouting 'why don't you want peace?' as he climbs back to the floor.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 11:54 AM
  • #12,089
What an idiot
As someone earlier up put it the proof of the action is in what next but you have to judge his decision making as it appears to be based around vanity and ego not any thought to the common good
 

chiefdave

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  • Today at 11:57 AM
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Still at least nobody is talking about the now daily shootings of Palestinians queuing for aid.

As with the bombing of schools and hospitals in Gaza we've quickly gone from Israel claiming it didn't to happen, to blaming Hamas, to claiming it was accidental, to doing it on a daily basis.
 
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tisza

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  • Today at 12:04 PM
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
They had signed the agreement and were complying with it.

To reiterate, Iran has been apparently on the verge of creating nuclear weapons for the past 30 years.

This is akin to going into a bar, beating some random up like Begbie in Trainspotting then shouting 'why don't you want peace?' as he climbs back to the floor.
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The IEEA said they had refined Uranium to 83% back 2023- well in excess of what was needed for domestic energy production and not far short of the 90% required for nuclear weapons. So that was 18 months who knows how much closer they have got to the 90%. Are you really buying the Iranian excuse that they had accidentally exceeded the 60%.
Also what is not known publicly yet is the terms of the new Russian-Iran agreement which included defense and nuclear technology sharing.
 
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wingy

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  • Today at 12:05 PM
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Just another day on the farm!
 

Sick Boy

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  • Today at 12:06 PM
  • #12,093
Ccfcisparks said:
The bin laden documentary was interesting. I'm sure it showed Obama actually very subdued after Bin Laden was murdered.
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To be fair, Donald looked very sleepy in the Situation Room.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Today at 12:07 PM
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chiefdave said:
Still at least nobody is talking about the now daily shootings of Palestinians queuing for aid.

As with the bombing of schools and hospitals in Gaza we've quickly gone from Israel claiming it didn't to happen, to blaming Hamas, to claiming it was accidental, to doing it on a daily basis.
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Utter scumbags.
 

Ian1779

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  • Today at 12:09 PM
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Starmer making a brave and bold statement
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Was it ‘sorry the people of the UK, everything you need to make your lives better is now never gonna happen - I’ve got to send all our money to aid and abet a warmongerer and a genocidal fuckhead’
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 12:10 PM
  • #12,096
Ian1779 said:
Was it ‘sorry the people of the UK, everything you need to make your lives better is now never gonna happen - I’ve got to send all our money to aid and abet a warmongerer and a genocidal fuckhead’
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I don’t think hes handing Iran an money
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 12:11 PM
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chiefdave said:
Still at least nobody is talking about the now daily shootings of Palestinians queuing for aid.

As with the bombing of schools and hospitals in Gaza we've quickly gone from Israel claiming it didn't to happen, to blaming Hamas, to claiming it was accidental, to doing it on a daily basis.
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They were talking about it on the politics show this morning?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 12:12 PM
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Grendel said:
I don’t think hes handing Iran an money
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Good to see your past objections to pointless war mongering and killing of innocent people haven’t bothered you on this occasion.
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 12:20 PM
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Good to see your past objections to pointless war mongering and killing of innocent people haven’t bothered you on this occasion.
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It’s not killed any civilians has it? I’m not shedding to many tears for Iran.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 12:22 PM
  • #12,100
Grendel said:
It’s not killed any civilians has it? I’m not shedding to many tears for Iran.
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Can we please see the picture of Obama like the Cheshire Cat after bin laden was murdered?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 12:24 PM
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Grendel said:
It’s not killed any civilians has it? I’m not shedding to many tears for Iran.
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Are nuclear scientists not civilians?
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 12:35 PM
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Ccfcisparks said:
Can we please see the picture of Obama like the Cheshire Cat after bin laden was murdered?
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it was very obviously a flippant remark as neither was Trump - however the point is in this instance they are very much two peas in the same pod - the only difference being this will not have the same threat to the West as Obama and his actions did.
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 12:36 PM
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Are nuclear scientists not civilians?
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Incredible. Truly only on this forum could someone defending a regime for trying to develop a nuclear arsenal
 
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Ian1779

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  • Today at 12:40 PM
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Grendel said:
Incredible. Truly only on this forum could someone defending a regime for trying to develop a nuclear arsenal
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You mean like Israel?
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 12:41 PM
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Grendel said:
it was very obviously a flippant remark as neither was Trump
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Lol that's quite the backtrack
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 12:45 PM
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We have a direct comparison of how Trump announces such things compared to Obama.

Here's Obama grinning like a Cheshire cat while Trump delivers a very statesman-like announcement.

I'd forgotten about him explaining to us thickos that special forces don't just knock on a terrorist's front door and ask to come in


 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 12:46 PM
  • #12,107
PVA said:
We have a direct comparison of how Trump announces such things compared to Obama.

Here's Obama grinning like a Cheshire cat while Trump delivers a very statesman-like announcement.

I'd forgotten about him explaining to us thickos that special forces don't just knock on a terrorist's front door and ask to come in


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What a total lunatic
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Today at 12:49 PM
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Ccfcisparks said:
What a total lunatic
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It’s actually insane he’s in charge of a country.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 12:49 PM
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Sick Boy said:
It’s actually insane he’s in charge of a country.
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He’s a total sociopath and he doesn’t even have the self awareness to try and hide it.
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 12:58 PM
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PVA said:
Lol that's quite the backtrack
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It really isn’t. You mocked Trump for being the president of peace. Obama had was actively involved in military incursions across the Middle East and Pakistan wasn’t he?
 
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