Evo1883
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Would you agree America fear Russia becoming a superpower both economically and militarily... If so... Our conversation is done on this mate as you have your answer
Fair enough but you're calling something bullshit when you haven't attempted to find any of the evidence behind it.
Like I say, I don't just listen to these thinks and take it as gospel and there was more supposition in the Steele document than in Luke Harding or Max Bergmanns stuff and Steele is MI6. Though there is still a lot in his dossier (only 35 pages long), which is confirmable.
Would you agree America fear Russia becoming a superpower both economically and militarily... If so... Our conversation is done on this mate as you have your answer
No wind up, you said what they've done before is irrelevant... It's not.. They lie.
IL ask again... What have Russia gained from trump being in power... Nothing
As far as I can tell Russia don't have a great relationship with them even with trump
I'm not sure how that's relevant.
They gained instability and uncertainty, and they achieved it perfectly.
I don't care enough to get into it, but seriously, you have your head well and truly in the sand on this
Not forever,thus China EU are his target.It's completely relevant, if you can keep the American people hating the nasty Russians, it makes it easier to keep said nation in check... As America are the world's superpower they control alot of the world's business
Not forever,thus China EU are his target.
I dont hate Russia and I don't believe all the nonsense the yanks say... I think my heads firmly on me shoulders my friend
Is that really any different to last 70yrs of foreign policy from USA?Would you believe a book which was written by a Russian, which explained how to achieve power even though they were stripped of their military power? Same book that became a textbook handed to the Russian military & government, and talked about how creating uncertainty & attacking traditional relationships by eroding trust within 'Western' countries was the goal?
"Military operations play relatively little role. The textbook advocates a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services. The operations should be assisted by a tough, hard-headed utilization of Russia's gas, oil, and natural resources to bully and pressure other countries."
"Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics"
Its actually embedded in their policies towards other countries, its factual and real- are you denying it all?
Would you believe a book which was written by a Russian, which explained how to achieve power even though they were stripped of their military power? Same book that became a textbook handed to the Russian military & government, and talked about how creating uncertainty & attacking traditional relationships by eroding trust within 'Western' countries was the goal?
"Military operations play relatively little role. The textbook advocates a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services. The operations should be assisted by a tough, hard-headed utilization of Russia's gas, oil, and natural resources to bully and pressure other countries."
"Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics"
Its actually embedded in their policies towards other countries, its factual and real- are you denying it all?
Is that really any different to last 70yrs of foreign policy from USA?
They all do it thoughthe USA have created more misery in the world than Russia have over the last 50 years... How you see them as the bad guys is quite amusing... Look closer to home and our own allies if I were you
They all do it thoughthe USA have created more misery in the world than Russia have over the last 50 years... How you see them as the bad guys is quite amusing... Look closer to home and our own allies if I were you
I don't disagree with that. Americas foreign policy has been disastrous, (or maybe it it's been a necessary evil and we've got it all wrong), their obsession with the spread Communism has been the catalyst for so much misery it's unbelievable. That's not really the point though to be honest.
Stop deflecting, thats not the point. I don't see anyone as the "bad guys", I'm not a child, and if the USA really are our 'allies' then we don't need too many enemies do we, we are completely subservient to them.
Russia are doing what they think they need to do, and they're making USA, UK etc look stupid, ill prepared and they are achieving their goals. That doesn't mean I'm saying they are 'the enemy', thats more your bag, but you need to stop being so naive.
I'd hazard a guess that whatever you think Russia have done... The yanks have done it 100 times over and much worse.
Russia are not the reason America got trump... Americans are the reason Americans got trump... Blaming Russia is all they have... Ever
Seems they all need bogeymen .I don't disagree with that. Americas foreign policy has been disastrous, (or maybe it it's been a necessary evil and we've got it all wrong), their obsession with the spread Communism has been the catalyst for so much misery it's unbelievable. That's not really the point though to be honest.
We are now at war with Eurasia.Seems they all need bogeymen .
Communism,Socialism , Pandemics, Global Warming, Xenophobia Armageddon, Religious bigotry.
Russia russia Russia russia...
It's a left wing love story... I'm sorry
Lefty conspiracy. Told you? that doesn't make sense.
Russia russia Russia russia...
It's a left wing love story... I'm sorry
Well when you get down to the securing of resources it would be naive I suppose.I don't disagree with that. Americas foreign policy has been disastrous, (or maybe it it's been a necessary evil and we've got it all wrong), their obsession with the spread Communism has been the catalyst for so much misery it's unbelievable. That's not really the point though to be honest.
Lefty conspiracy. Told you
I can only comment on observation alone, I assure you it's no conspiracy... As the thread proves its you lot making all the noise to try and justify why somebody like trump won an election ...when it's actually far from the reason.... People just don't like the opposing politics that muchLefty conspiracy. Told you
You said people are fed up with virtue signalling woke lefties and then said that's why Clinton didn't win.I can only comment on observation alone, I assure you it's no conspiracy... As the thread proves its you lot making all the noise to try and justify why somebody like trump won an election ...when it's actually far from the reason.... People just don't like the opposing politics that much
I can only comment on observation alone, I assure you it's no conspiracy... As the thread proves its you lot making all the noise to try and justify why somebody like trump won an election ...when it's actually far from the reason.... People just don't like the opposing politics that much
My lot?!? I am no 'lot'.I can only comment on observation alone, I assure you it's no conspiracy... As the thread proves its you lot making all the noise to try and justify why somebody like trump won an election ...when it's actually far from the reason.... People just don't like the opposing politics that much
You said people are fed up with virtue signalling woke lefties and then said that's why Clinton didn't win.
You see how mad that is yeah?
Depends what you define as the norm though, the right have been in power for a decade in this country.Bit muddled but not exactly what I meant... Clinton lost for many reasons... Her past... Benghazi and the fact she's a c**t in general... But Trump won because she offered nothing different
People ARE fed up with the norm though
Depends what you define as the norm though, the right have been in power for a decade in this country.
And that doesn't look like changing for a decade or so more does it tbh
which doesn't support your people are sick of the norm claim.
The right have been in power in America basically forever.In America it does
That's a bit harsh just because they made some shite pop songs!!We are now at war with Eurasia.
The right have been in power in America basically forever.
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