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martcov

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #386
Tommo72 said:
Yeh I agree there is that side to his followers and that’s one of the reasons he moved away from the EDL.
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He hasn’t carried out his promises made when he left the EDL to carry out a more moderate discourse.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #387
Tommo72 said:
Yeh I agree there is that side to his followers and that’s one of the reasons he moved away from the EDL.
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but there were some very extreme groups at the march yesterday including generation identity. Again, he can't be responsible if they turn up but it's the sort of supporter he attracts.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #388
Tommo72 said:
Biggest load of drivel I’ve ever read, cba to debate when you write shite like that.
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I think you just proved his point.

If it’s drivel you’ll have no issues proving it so. What you mean is “I have no answer and that makes me uncomfortable about my views and Id rather not face that” or just plain “I don’t understand”. Either of which proves his point.
 
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Tommo72

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #389
martcov said:
He hasn’t carried out his promises made when he left the EDL to carry out a more moderate discourse.
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He’s taken a very different path and he’s highlighted plenty
shmmeee said:
I think you just proved his point.

If it’s drivel you’ll have no issues proving it so. What you mean is “I have no answer and that makes me uncomfortable about my views and Id rather not face that”
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Not at all, come across similar views before and debated the hell out of it but today I cba, it’s not complicated.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #390
clint van damme said:
have you seen the videos from yesterday? They ran the police, now that's not in the same league as bombing innocent school kids in Manchester but it's pretty fucking serious.
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I wasn't suggesting a competition between radical dickheads on both sides.. ..but sadly the UK government has created just that by being so weak and blinded by allowing a build up of separatist and radical Muslims to practically take over whole areas of the UK and try and run them how they like. Many of their menfolk have then gone on to abuse members of other communities based on their belief that they are superior and untouchable. The opposite to this can be seen in the delightful specimens of some of those marchers who now think they are some kind of liberators.
 
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Tommo72

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #391
clint van damme said:
but there were some very extreme groups at the march yesterday including generation identity. Again, he can't be responsible if they turn up but it's the sort of supporter he attracts.
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Yep I agree.

People follow him for different reasons I guess and no he can’t be responsible for individuals etc. Clearly he appeals right across the board and that’s apparent in his huge following and the speed in which it’s grown.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #392
Tommo72 said:
Yeh because insignificant individuals get hundreds of thousands of followers and tens of thousands marching in their name....and he’s brought to the attention many cases of pedophilia and gangs do not sure what you are grasping at there.
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People who march in his name are part of the problem not part of the cure. They’re even more insignificant than TR.

He didn’t bring anything to attention. The cases he films have always always been reported on when up and coming. How do you think he knows about them? He then waits until the trial starts and as is normal in all gang trials regardless of the crime that involve multiple trials of multiple people a media blackout is called so none of the trials and individuals can claim that they’ve been prejudiced by reporting of one of the previous trials and therefore couldn’t receive a fair trial and get of on a technicality. This is when TR pretends to people of less intelligence than him that the media won’t cover it and he’s a hero. The fact that the media did cover the build up, can’t cover the trial while it’s happening and will cover it in full when the media ban is lifted which will be when the series of proceedings have reached their conclusion and sentences have been handed down is lost on people who think that TR is intelligent regardless of how intelligent they consider themselves to be.

Frankly it it’s a very cheap trick and I don’t think anyone who falls for it should consider themselves intelligent. As with the magician cutting the woman in half it really doesn’t take a great deal of intelligence to see its a trick. He’s even admittined it in court twice now, he’s telling you it’s a trick and you’re still buying the illusion.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #393
Ashdown said:
I wasn't suggesting a competition between radical dickheads on both sides.. ..but sadly the UK government has created just that by being so weak and blinded by allowing a build up of separatist and radical Muslims to practically take over whole areas of the UK and try and run them how they like. Many of their menfolk have then gone on to abuse members of other communities based on their belief that they are superior and untouchable. The opposite to this can be seen in the delightful specimens of some of those marchers who now think they are some kind of liberators.
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do you think there are no go areas in the UK for non muslims?
I have a friend who is muslim and he told me there are predominantly Indian estates in Yorkshire which are no go areas for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and vice versa.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #394
clint van damme said:
the problem is he attracts racist and extreme right wingers.
Look at the videos of marchers attacking police yesterday, aren't these the people who are supposed to be concerned with upholding British law?

Look at this fella from yesterday


if anyone knows him, can you tell him that he needs to have a word with his tattooist, Hitlers thumb is on the wrong side of his hand.
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Hopefully his tattooist just realised what a dick this individual is and did it deliberately to prove the point.
 
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Tommo72

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #395
skybluetony176 said:
People who march in his name are part of the problem not part of the cure. They’re even more insignificant than TR.

He didn’t bring anything to attention. The cases he films have always always been reported on when up and coming. How do you think he knows about them? He then waits until the trial starts and as is normal in all gang trials regardless of the crime that involve multiple trials of multiple people a media blackout is called so none of the trials and individuals can claim that they’ve been prejudiced by reporting of one of the previous trials and therefore couldn’t receive a fair trial and get of on a technicality. This is when TR pretends to people of less intelligence than him that the media won’t cover it and he’s a hero. The fact that the media did cover the build up, can’t cover the trial while it’s happening and will cover it in full when the media ban is lifted which will be when the series of proceedings have reached their conclusion and sentences have been handed down is lost on people who think that TR is intelligent regardless of how intelligent they consider themselves to be.

Frankly it it’s a very cheap trick and I don’t think anyone who falls for it should consider themselves intelligent. As with the magician cutting the woman in half it really doesn’t take a great deal of intelligence to see its a trick. He’s even admittined it in court twice now, he’s telling you it’s a trick and you’re still buying the illusion.
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Using intelligence levels is a poor angle to come from, just because you disagree with a viewpoint it doesn’t necessarily make you any more or less intelligent. I’m sure he appeals to all ‘intelligence’ levels.....
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #396
Tommo72 said:
Using intelligence levels is a poor angle to come from, just because you disagree with a viewpoint it doesn’t necessarily make you any more or less intelligent. I’m sure he appeals to all ‘intelligence’ levels.....
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but he clearly broke the law and pleaded guilty, you've got to question the mentality of people rioting for him the be released.
I think he got himself jailed on purpose to play the martyr to be honest. These men were in court to be tried. If they got off and he thought the verdict was wrong or of they were sentenced and he believed it was too lenient then I could understand him getting involved.
But British justice, (the justice system he purports to care so much about), was taking it's course, why get involved?
 
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Tommo72

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #397
clint van damme said:
but he clearly broke the law and pleaded guilty, you've got to question the mentality of people rioting for him the be released.
I think he got himself jailed on purpose to play the martyr to be honest. These men were in court to be tried. If they got off and he thought the verdict was wrong or of they were sentenced and he believed it was too lenient then I could understand him getting involved.
But British justice, (the justice system he purports to care so much about), was taking it's course, why get involved?
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I don’t disagree with that, he clearly compromised himself doing what he did. I’m not necessarily of the mindset that he should be released etc but I do agree with a lot of the points he makes.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #398
clint van damme said:
do you think there are no go areas in the UK for non muslims?
I have a friend who is muslim and he told me there are predominantly Indian estates in Yorkshire which are no go areas for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and vice versa.
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Yes I do and your friend pretty much confirms that these enclaves exist. I know white folk who lived in areas of Bradford. The Muslims would start to buy up the houses in a street until they had most of them then they would intimidate those remaining non Muslims to sell to their community. This was happening 30 years ago !
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #399
Tommo72 said:
Using intelligence levels is a poor angle to come from, just because you disagree with a viewpoint it doesn’t necessarily make you any more or less intelligent. I’m sure he appeals to all ‘intelligence’ levels.....
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.., so long as they’re less intelligent than him. I stopped watching magicians when I reached a level of intelligence to realise it was an illusion. I can even tell you exactly when that was. It was Xmas 1982 and I got a Paul Daniels magic kit for Christmas. It contained a number of props and an instruction book that tells you how the illusion works. At the point that someone told me something wasn’t real (Paul Daniels on this occasion through the instruction book) I tend to stop buying into it. If TR stands up in court twice and pleads guilty to his illusion why do you continue to believe it?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #400
Tommo72 said:
I don’t disagree with that, he clearly compromised himself doing what he did. I’m not necessarily of the mindset that he should be released etc but I do agree with a lot of the points he makes.
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as much as I think he's an idiot I still think the sentence is harsh, or maybe it's not and it's just the leniency shown in some other cases which is so wrong.
 

Tommo72

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #401
clint van damme said:
as much as I think he's an idiot I still think the sentence is harsh, or maybe it's not and it's just the leniency shown in some other cases which is so wrong.
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He’s obviously been targeted for some time now, he’s had a fair bit of police harrasment over time so it was always going to be more a case of when he ended up inside not if.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #402
clint van damme said:
the problem is he attracts racist and extreme right wingers.
Look at the videos of marchers attacking police yesterday, aren't these the people who are supposed to be concerned with upholding British law?

Look at this fella from yesterday


if anyone knows him, can you tell him that he needs to have a word with his tattooist, Hitlers thumb is on the wrong side of his hand.
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If these tossers don't agree with British way of life then they should get out of the country. They're an insult to those who died fighting to defeat Nazis in WW2. These, and the Muslims extremists discussed on this thread, are both sides of the same coin.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #403
clint van damme said:
as much as I think he's an idiot I still think the sentence is harsh, or maybe it's not and it's just the leniency shown in some other cases which is so wrong.
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If you're on a suspended sentence you're going to get dealt with harshly
 

Tommo72

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #404
Sick Boy said:
If these tossers don't agree with British way of life then they should get out of the country. They're an insult to those who died fighting to defeat Nazis in WW2. These, and the Muslims extremists discussed on this thread, are both sides of the same coin.
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Being tolerant is fine but we’ve become a big soft touch...
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #405
Tommo72 said:
Being tolerant is fine but we’ve become a big soft touch...
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In which way?
 

Tommo72

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #406
Sick Boy said:
In which way?
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Just in terms of immigration over the last ten years and some questionable decisions over some of the individuals that have been allowed in. Nothing wrong with a multi-cultured society as long as it is governed fairly across the board and people are allowed here for the right reasons. Quite frankly it’s been a free for all and the government has created some unecessary problems.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #407
Tommo72 said:
Just in terms of immigration over the last ten years and some questionable decisions over some of the individuals that have been allowed in. Nothing wrong with a multi-cultured society as long as it is governed fairly across the board and people are allowed here for the right reasons. Quite frankly it’s been a free for all and the government has created some unecessary problems.
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I was under the impression that a lot of those convicted in the Rochdale scandal were second generation British-Pakistanis?
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #408
Tommo72 said:
and he’s brought to the attention many cases of pedophilia and gangs do not sure what you are grasping at there.
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This question has been asked before on this thread but not answered. Can you give a couple of examples of cases where the story was broken by Robinson as opposed to him starting up on something already covered by the media and / or following an arrest?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #409
There's soft sentences and cover-ups of white paedophiles, just look at the likes Saville and the BBC and I'm sure there have been and are ongoing cover-ups going right up to the top of society.

I saw a news story of a local Cov teacher who was given 4 years for historic sex offences against a child, he will no doubt be out in a year.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #410
clint van damme said:
have you seen the videos from yesterday? They ran the police, now that's not in the same league as bombing innocent school kids in Manchester but it's pretty fucking serious.
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Yesterday was not exactly the finest moment for his supporters. People openly showing off nazi tattoos, crowds chanting Allah is a paedo etc hardly help when, as in this thread, people are claiming racism doesn't come in to it.

Its all well and good claiming people like that are nothing to do with Robinson but there needs to be some self policing.

Did have to laugh at one video I saw on social media. Chap was joining in the attack on the police who then retreated. Cue same chap then complaining that the police wouldn't be there to defend him if it all kicked off.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #411
A question for those on here who support Robinson. What do you think of him defending the likes of Richard Price, Milo Yiannopoulos and Paul Golding?
 
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martcov

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  • Jun 10, 2018
  • #412
Tommo72 said:
He’s obviously been targeted for some time now, he’s had a fair bit of police harrasment over time so it was always going to be more a case of when he ended up inside not if.
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That happens with people with a record. Literally „the usual suspects“.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Aug 1, 2018
  • #413

Delighted for him.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Aug 1, 2018
  • #414
Not sure he should have been jailed for so long in reality........best keep his gob shut for a while now though !
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Aug 1, 2018
  • #415
Ashdown said:
Not sure he should have been jailed for so long in reality........best keep his gob shut for a while now though !
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Hopefully his new sentence will be a bit more sensible.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 1, 2018
  • #416
ccfchoi87 said:
Hopefully his new sentence will be a bit more sensible.
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Seven years?
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 1, 2018
  • #417
ccfchoi87 said:

Delighted for him.
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Hardly surprising really. I wonder what the secret barrister has to say now?
 
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ajsccfc

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  • Aug 1, 2018
  • #418
Big congrats to Tommy/Stephen/Andrew/Paul/Bono
 
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martcov

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  • Aug 1, 2018
  • #419
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Hardly surprising really. I wonder what the secret barrister has to say now?
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Suppose he‘ll wait for the retrial before saying he was wrong... should he be actually wrong. The appeal was about length of sentence and procedural mistakes.
 

singers_pore

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  • Aug 1, 2018
  • #420
The original conviction has been quashed. It’s not just about the length of the sentence. Moreover the appeal court found he was never even given an option to make a plea, yet all the media stated he pleaded guilty. And the gullible sheep on here lapped up whatever crap was spewed out by the media.
 
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