To put things into perspective, last season we mostly didn't beat teams in the bottom 6, this season we mostly won't either. Progress?
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Don’t think it’s being sugar-coated, it’s just perspective. Yes, we should have won. Yes, we should have played better, but if the officials had done their job we would have.The embarrassing mindset is how accepting our fans are of abject mediocrity. Any team in League One would be extremely disappointed in to have got that result today, yet here we are trying to sugar coat it.
I don't think the season is over based on that one result, but the performance itself was nowhere near good enough considering the standard of the opposition. It's worrying how the early signs are that we've failed to address any of the issues from last season in terms of personnel or play-style. Last season our big weaknesses were breaking down defensive teams and finishing chances, and lo and behold we come up against a defensive team and can't break them nor finish the few meaningful chances we created. We were handed an absolute gimme here and we blew it. Any other team in this league would have been rubbing their hands at the prospect of playing this Bolton side.Don’t think it’s being sugar-coated, it’s just perspective. Yes, we should have won. Yes, we should have played better, but if the officials had done their job we would have.
Too soon to right the entire season off based on one result that, let’s face it given our history against the poorer teams we could have predicted.
It’s not good enough, but it’s also not the disaster that some are saying.
The embarrassing mindset is how accepting our fans are of abject mediocrity. Any team in League One would be extremely disappointed in to have got that result today, yet here we are trying to sugar coat it.
To put things into perspective, last season we mostly didn't beat teams in the bottom 6, this season we mostly won't either. Progress?
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Come on Grendel ffs. It's nowhere near comparable.So if england started a World Cup campaign and drew nil nil against Gibraltar that’s ok as potentially they could be the best team in the Group?
Of course. I think I'm one of very few people on this forum that explicitly acknowledges when they're wrongand that will be assessed over a whole season, not after 2 games.
I agree that from the first TWO games we appear to have similar issues to last season, and even my 10 year old said they’d park the bus and we’d struggle to break them down, but we still have significant parts of our recruitment to play (Allen, Kastaneer) and all of the new players need to get used to playing with each other. As inexperienced at this level as Bolton are, they’ve probably all played together to some extent.I don't think the season is over based on that one result, but the performance itself was nowhere near good enough considering the standard of the opposition. It's worrying how the early signs are that we've failed to address any of the issues from last season in terms of personnel or play-style. Last season our big weaknesses were breaking down defensive teams and finishing chances, and lo and behold we come up against a defensive team and can't break them nor finish the few meaningful chances we created. We were handed an absolute gimme here and we blew it. Any other team in this league would have been rubbing their hands at the prospect of playing this Bolton side.
Of course. I think I'm one of very few people on this forum that explicitly acknowledges when they're wrong
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I understand that it's early days, and we can't take too much stock from these early results, but then again, we were playing a youth team. This isn't a regular poor performance against a poor side, it was us failing to beat a hastily scraped together bunch of kids and it's hard to feel downbeat about our chances after watching that. I sincerely hope that we have a wonderful season and everything from here on out goes swimmingly, I'm sick of watching us in this god awful league, but like I said, it's very hard not to feel like it's going to be same old same old.I agree that from the first TWO games we appear to have similar issues to last season, and even my 10 year old said they’d park the bus and we’d struggle to break them down, but we still have significant parts of our recruitment to play (Allen, Kastaneer) and all of the new players need to get used to playing with each other. As inexperienced at this level as Bolton are, they’ve probably all played together to some extent.
We created over 20 chances, arguably scored at least 1 of them and on a different day should have won.
Deep breaths. Folk need to get some perspective. We might have a bad season, we might push for playoffs. Too soon for any of us to say. Talk of automatics is and always was a tad optimistic. On paper Sunderland and Pompey (at least) should be way ahead of us this year.
KnobGod you’re a fucking nob mate
you do mate, and your concerns are all credible and may turn out to be our undoing this season, I just think we need to give it a bit longer than 2 games.
Actually, is it more of an insult, to be called a knob, by someone who can’t even spell the word?Knob
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I don't think the season is over based on that one result, but the performance itself was nowhere near good enough considering the standard of the opposition. It's worrying how the early signs are that we've failed to address any of the issues from last season in terms of personnel or play-style. Last season our big weaknesses were breaking down defensive teams and finishing chances, and lo and behold we come up against a defensive team and can't break them nor finish the few meaningful chances we created. We were handed an absolute gimme here and we blew it. Any other team in this league would have been rubbing their hands at the prospect of playing this Bolton side.
We probably wre rubbing our hands together at the prospect. And maybe that was our undoing. We went into this game complacent. But we also went into it blind having no idea who or how they'd play - the next team now has the advantage of knowing they play physical - that seemed to be the biggest surprise to us. They'll also know they largely park the bus so will play a more attacking line-up and sacrifice a defender.
Yes, we should've anticipated that and maybe played a formation with two central strikers and you'd hope we'd be able to score more than them even if we did leave a bit more space at the back.
It is frustrating that no matter who the manager or players or how we play, we always seemed to get dragged down into 'lesser' teams styles of play - we just always seem to struggle to perform against.
We probably wre rubbing our hands together at the prospect. And maybe that was our undoing. We went into this game complacent. But we also went into it blind having no idea who or how they'd play - the next team now has the advantage of knowing they play physical - that seemed to be the biggest surprise to us. They'll also know they largely park the bus so will play a more attacking line-up and sacrifice a defender.
Yes, we should've anticipated that and maybe played a formation with two central strikers and you'd hope we'd be able to score more than them even if we did leave a bit more space at the back.
It is frustrating that no matter who the manager or players or how we play, we always seemed to get dragged down into 'lesser' teams styles of play - we just always seem to struggle to perform against.
The notion this is a footballing team is bollocks. Who in our midfield today is capable of beating players and delivering killer passes?
The centre halves are as crude as you can get and the forwards pretty one dimensional
Just for clarification, I wasn't calling anyone a knob, merely providing the correct spelling, unless, of course, you were referring to his high social standing or great wealth. Unlikely.Actually, is it more of an insult, to be called a knob, by someone who can’t even spell the word?
Now there's a dream match... Slade's 'vintage' Coventry vs the Bolton mob!Those pressing the Slade out button need to have a word with themselves.
At least we did not lose , I did not see the game , were we that shite ? If so was it a bookies set up ?
Come on Grendel ffs. It's nowhere near comparable.
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Exactly this.you do mate, and your concerns are all credible and may turn out to be our undoing this season, I just think we need to give it a bit longer than 2 games.
Apparently his recovery is going very wellI know we arent expecting much from him but is Jones back training yet?
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a couple of weeks ago MR said not to expect to see him before xmasApparently his recovery is going very well
But after what happened last time expect him to be brought through much more cautiously
Great comebackCheers blame the ref
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