harvey098
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100% knew he was being subbed. If he was actually injured he would’nt have “hobbled” further away.
100% knew he was being subbed. If he was actually injured he would’nt have “hobbled” further away.But this is my point: When it comes down to it, we can't tell. The referee can't. The other players can't. That one Norwich player who went down near our area, hobbled to the centre circle and went down again? We were all utterly convinced that he was faking it, but he then went off.
Might not work in the event of a broken leg!Could a new method to prevent time wasting be implemented as such how do we think it would work:
If a player goes down claiming injury
• They must leave the field of play if they wish to get treated allowing the game to continue without them on the pitch,
If a player goes down holding their head they must leave the field of play temporarily,
• Temporary subs like Rugby which can be made permanent and will count towards their subs used and breaks in play if made permanent or once the previous player returns to the pitch,
• They must recieve a concussion assessment and be passed by a doctor, medic, physio whatever you want to call it,
If someone refuses medical attention after going down numerous times they are forceably removed from play if refused again then a yellow card will be issued for wasting time and simulation
Josh Sargent getting injured on the touchline and then limping to the centre circle to fall over is possibly the most cynical act of timewasting I've ever seen at a football match. Used to have a soft spot for Norwich. I'll be looking out for their results from now on and cheering wildly whenever they lose. Pathetic excuse for a football club.
I agree that this would make a massive difference, but it's not the only reason to timewaste. A big part is to disrupt the flow of the game and stop the opposition getting the advantage.I'd like to see the 45 minutes each half scrapped. Make it 30 minutes each way and stop the clock everytime play stops. Time wasting would become pointless.
None of this is never going to happen , no matter what they try ,players and managers will find a way round it.I agree that this would make a massive difference, but it's not the only reason to timewaste. A big part is to disrupt the flow of the game and stop the opposition getting the advantage.
Why I thought it may be worth saying if a ref thinks a player is timewasting it's treated as a team discretion and the opposition get to choose a player on the other team to take the booking. A lot of times it would put a player at risk of a sending off so it'd always be far too risky to consider.
There is of course the possibility that refs would become almost allergic to saying a team is timewasting because of this punishment. We see it all the time, especially with keepers, that they're sometimes brave enough to book them once for timewasting, but never a second.
If its not the head injury, its the keeper injury. Their keeper must've gone down 3 or 4 times yesterday with cramp! If a professional sports man can't stand in goal for more than 90mins, not even running around, just standing, then they seriously need to sort out the clubs dietician. Its a joke! Bring in GK need to leave the field if down injured too!I hate it so much and it just seems to be getting worse. It's anti football.
I think a lot of players are going for the "head" injury option, because the ref will always stop the game.
Yes but this idea is to remove them straight away not let them lie down for a bit then get up and crack onI thought the rule that players had to leave the pitch when injured was introduced about 20 years ago?
Then they get stretchered off? Bit of a stupid pointSo what if they've got a broken leg? Baring in mind no one actually knows the extent of an injury when a player goes down.
It's ok having 10 minutes of stoppage time, but yesterday, it wasn't just about wasting time so much as breaking up the play. Stopping our momentum. That momentum lost can't be added on at the end of the 90 minutes. The little niggly fouls, diving looking for fouls, taking time to restart from a throw or a free kick. Yes, it's time, but it's also about making the game as stop - start as possible and taking away our threat and momentum. It's anti-football at its finest!Don’t think we needs to rip up the rule book when 90% of all timewasting tactics are rendered pointless if the referees actually take a proper note of breaks in play when deciding on how much stoppage time there is. At the moment it’s literally just vibes.
It doesn't matter what interruptions there are if there's no flow in does,yes we came back luckily for but it's not the game and it's not what we want to to see, let's see if the roles are reversed when we play at carrow rd.Don’t think we needs to rip up the rule book when 90% of all timewasting tactics are rendered pointless if the referees actually take a proper note of breaks in play when deciding on how much stoppage time there is. At the moment it’s literally just vibes.
The refs are responsible for every set piece, does my head.It's ok having 10 minutes of stoppage time, but yesterday, it wasn't just about wasting time so much as breaking up the play. Stopping our momentum. That momentum lost can't be added on at the end of the 90 minutes. The little niggly fouls, diving looking for fouls, taking time to restart from a throw or a free kick. Yes, it's time, but it's also about making the game as stop - start as possible and taking away our threat and momentum. It's anti-football at its finest!
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Not sure we can change that buddyThe refs are responsible for every set piece, does my head.
But a lot of the time wasting comes after the whistle is blown for a stoppage. Once it stops the ref is obliged to let the physio onPosted this on Officiating thread but more relevant here ...
I'm old school. I don't really care if they're injured. Exception is head injury or something that is so obvious that the players should stop playing and kick it out. That's on their professional integrity. They shouldn't want to see a fellow pro in genuine distress. Should be honour code amongst the players. As far as the ref is concerned he should play on for everything but clear head injury. If play IS stopped for a head injury there should be a retrospective check after the match and the player charged with misconduct if he is adjudged to be faking.
But you'd have to expect the same of the coaches and that's never going to come unfortunately.Posted this on Officiating thread but more relevant here ...
I'm old school. I don't really care if they're injured. Exception is head injury or something that is so obvious that the players should stop playing and kick it out. That's on their professional integrity. They shouldn't want to see a fellow pro in genuine distress. Should be honour code amongst the players. As far as the ref is concerned he should play on for everything but clear head injury. If play IS stopped for a head injury there should be a retrospective check after the match and the player charged with misconduct if he is adjudged to be faking.
This. It really doesn't need anything more complicated.Just stop the clock rugby style
It still breaks up play and rhythm of the dominant team which is half the reason for doing it.Just stop the clock rugby style
Think there was one in the prem at the start maybe?Has any team been awarded a corner for the new 8 second rule yet, or are the refs just bottling it every week?
A mandatory head injury assessment requirement should reduce the number of non-genuine head injuries.Posted this on Officiating thread but more relevant here ...
I'm old school. I don't really care if they're injured. Exception is head injury or something that is so obvious that the players should stop playing and kick it out. That's on their professional integrity. They shouldn't want to see a fellow pro in genuine distress. Should be honour code amongst the players. As far as the ref is concerned he should play on for everything but clear head injury. If play IS stopped for a head injury there should be a retrospective check after the match and the player charged with misconduct if he is adjudged to be faking.
Could a new method to prevent time wasting be implemented as such how do we think it would work:
If a player goes down claiming injury
• They must leave the field of play if they wish to get treated allowing the game to continue without them on the pitch,
If a player goes down holding their head they must leave the field of play temporarily,
• Temporary subs like Rugby which can be made permanent and will count towards their subs used and breaks in play if made permanent or once the previous player returns to the pitch,
• They must recieve a concussion assessment and be passed by a doctor, medic, physio whatever you want to call it,
If someone refuses medical attention after going down numerous times they are forceably removed from play if refused again then a yellow card will be issued for wasting time and simulation
The Norwich players were going down when play was stopped anyway.Let play carry on, let the physios on to the pitch.
I think it's something to do with if the ref books the opposing player for the foul (Thomas in this case), but certainly not consistently managed by refs if it is the case.Might have already been mentioned - but why was their player who received treatment allowed to stay on the pitch for their free kick in the first half?
Might have already been mentioned - but why was their player who received treatment allowed to stay on the pitch for their free kick in the first half?
A player who is assessed and/or treated on the pitch must then leave the pitch, except when:
- a player is injured by a foul for which the offender is shown a yellow or red card
Let’s wait and see how many weeks he’s outThat actually looked like it could be quite a nasty one.
It wasn’t SargentJosh Sargent getting injured on the touchline and then limping to the centre circle to fall over is possibly the most cynical act of timewasting I've ever seen at a football match. Used to have a soft spot for Norwich. I'll be looking out for their results from now on and cheering wildly whenever they lose. Pathetic excuse for a football club.
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