Timewasting (4 Viewers)

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Could a new method to prevent time wasting be implemented as such how do we think it would work:

If a player goes down claiming injury
• They must leave the field of play if they wish to get treated allowing the game to continue without them on the pitch,

If a player goes down holding their head they must leave the field of play temporarily,
• Temporary subs like Rugby which can be made permanent and will count towards their subs used and breaks in play if made permanent or once the previous player returns to the pitch,
• They must recieve a concussion assessment and be passed by a doctor, medic, physio whatever you want to call it,

If someone refuses medical attention after going down numerous times they are forceably removed from play if refused again then a yellow card will be issued for wasting time and simulation

 

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[fernandopartridge]

I thought the rule that players had to leave the pitch when injured was introduced about 20 years ago?

 

[Otis]

I hate it so much and it just seems to be getting worse. It's anti football.

I think a lot of players are going for the "head" injury option, because the ref will always stop the game.

 

[SBT]

Don’t think we needs to rip up the rule book when 90% of all timewasting tactics are rendered pointless if the referees actually take a proper note of breaks in play when deciding on how much stoppage time there is. At the moment it’s literally just vibes.

 

[Ccfc_Addy]

Referees are in a Catch 22 situation - Obviously we all notice that players are far more likely to pull up with a cramp or whatever when they're winning away, or when they're under the cosh and drawing, but how can you possibly prove that a player is faking it and can you imagine the almighty shitstorm if a referee judged a player to be faking injury and it later turned out they were genuinely injured?

Don't get me wrong: I fucking hate it. Once it starts happening it ruins the match, it's horrible and Norwich summed up everything terrible about modern football yesterday. I just don't see how it can stop.

 

[CovInEssex]

I was so happy the fans were getting on their backs straight away yesterday, WE got those 2 players booked in the first half.

Just do what that ex-ref said, time wasting on a throw in - give the throw in to the other team
time waste on a goal kick - give the other team a corner

 

[CovInEssex]

Could a new method to prevent time wasting be implemented as such how do we think it would work:

If a player goes down claiming injury
• They must leave the field of play if they wish to get treated allowing the game to continue without them on the pitch,

So what if they've got a broken leg? Baring in mind no one actually knows the extent of an injury when a player goes down.

 

[Ccfc_Addy]

It's also worth pointing out that two of the players who pulled up yesterday were immediately substituted; either they were deeply committed to the bit, or they were genuinely injured.

 

[Old Warwickshire lad]

If a player goes down, just let the medical staff on and the game carry on.
They will soon get up, especially if they are playing everyone onside.
If it’s a serious injury the medical staff will call immediately for a stretcher, and the referee can then stop the game.
Obviously in that case the player will be stretched off and not be allowed to return.

 

[oscillatewildly]

Yesterday's example was off the scale. If that isn't used for groundbreaking changes then the game is rotten.
I hate/am proud to say it but we are trailing by not adopting these tactics to gain an advantage.
That said, it came back to bite narch on the arse with added time.

 

[Paul Anthony]

It's a big problem, and I can well understand that it puts a ref in a somewhat difficult position having to try and filter out real injuries from the fake ones. I don't doubt they had some genuine injuries yesterday.

However, yesterday there were many times Norwich players did it with absolutely no subtetly whatsoever. The goalkeeper, twice I think. The one where he went from the sideline with the physio stood right next to him waiting to come on only to hobble to the middle of the pitch to go down again.

The fact that they started doing it as soon as they gone ahead, with only 17 or so minutes gone, makes a total mockery of the game. It's not just unsporting, it's downright cheating.

I'm glad it caught up with them in the end, because if they hadn't spent so much time engaging in childish tactics, they might well have gone home with three points. You reap what you sow.

 

[chiefdave]

So what if they've got a broken leg? Baring in mind no one actually knows the extent of an injury when a player goes down.

I don't get why people think refs in football aren't able to cope with this yet it's not even a consideration for refs in other sports. Other sports just play on unless its deemed a serious injury.

We can all tell from the stands from players reactions alone when something is serious but the ref can't?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Could a new method to prevent time wasting be implemented as such how do we think it would work:

If a player goes down claiming injury
• They must leave the field of play if they wish to get treated allowing the game to continue without them on the pitch,

If a player goes down holding their head they must leave the field of play temporarily,
• Temporary subs like Rugby which can be made permanent and will count towards their subs used and breaks in play if made permanent or once the previous player returns to the pitch,
• They must recieve a concussion assessment and be passed by a doctor, medic, physio whatever you want to call it,

If someone refuses medical attention after going down numerous times they are forceably removed from play if refused again then a yellow card will be issued for wasting time and simulation

Last season you will have seen refs check before allowing physio on
The treatment is supposed to be given off the pitch not on it never ever done

 

[Sky Blue Heaven]

Morning all, just had a look at the Norwich forum, fair to say that their fans were totally embarrassed by yesterday’s antics. Imagine travelling over 3 hours to watch the physio put in a MOTM performance. It reminded me of the Burnley game from last season, although yesterday was on another level.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It's a big problem, and I can well understand that it puts a ref in a somewhat difficult position having to try and filter out real injuries from the fake ones. I don't doubt they had some genuine injuries yesterday.

However, yesterday there were many times Norwich players did it with absolutely no subtetly whatsoever. The goalkeeper, twice I think. The one where he went from the sideline with the physio stood right next to him waiting to come on only to hobble to the middle of the pitch to go down again.

The fact that they started doing it as soon as they gone ahead, with only 17 or so minutes gone, makes a total mockery of the game. It's not just unsporting, it's downright cheating.

I'm glad it caught up with them in the end, because if they hadn't spent so much time engaging in childish tactics, they might well have gone home with three points. You reap what you sow.

0 would have been better

 

[CovInEssex]

I don't get why people think refs in football aren't able to cope with this yet it's not even a consideration for refs in other sports. Other sports just play on unless its deemed a serious injury.

We can all tell from the stands from players reactions alone when something is serious but the ref can't?

Play only stops until whistle or head injury (potentially serious)

We can tell, the ref probably knows, but isn't going to be that ref that said get up and play on when someones actually got a bad injury.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Play only stops until whistle or head injury (potentially serious)

We can tell, the ref probably knows, but isn't going to be that ref that said get up and play on when someone’s actually got a bad injury.

Everything and anything is always the refs fault that’s the issue
It’s the same with trust in all authority

 

[larry_david]

The gk going down when he caught the ball yesterday with no one near him holding his back. That nearly sent me through the roof. It's a disease of the modern game

Frank said it right. 9 mins injury time. We scored, their gk faked injury and he still blew dead on 99.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Don’t think we needs to rip up the rule book when 90% of all timewasting tactics are rendered pointless if the referees actually take a proper note of breaks in play when deciding on how much stoppage time there is. At the moment it’s literally just vibes.

They did this a few years back starting in the World Cup. Worked well - we were having 15 minutes added onto halves.

naturally the players and managers complained about players not being robots etc and it went back to normal.

Should go back to that and just say - “don’t time waste and we won’t add the time”

 

[Ccfc_Addy]

I don't get why people think refs in football aren't able to cope with this yet it's not even a consideration for refs in other sports. Other sports just play on unless its deemed a serious injury.

We can all tell from the stands from players reactions alone when something is serious but the ref can't?

But this is my point: When it comes down to it, we can't tell. The referee can't. The other players can't. That one Norwich player who went down near our area, hobbled to the centre circle and went down again? We were all utterly convinced that he was faking it, but he then went off.

 

[skybluelad]

It's also worth pointing out that two of the players who pulled up yesterday were immediately substituted; either they were deeply committed to the bit, or they were genuinely injured.

Or they knew they were being subbed

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[Ccfc_Addy]

Or they knew they were being subbed

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Entirely possible, admittedly

 

[clint van damme]

But this is my point: When it comes down to it, we can't tell. The referee can't. The other players can't. That one Norwich player who went down near our area, hobbled to the centre circle and went down again? We were all utterly convinced that he was faking it, but he then went off.

Let play carry on, let the physios on to the pitch.

 

[chiefdave]

But this is my point: When it comes down to it, we can't tell. The referee can't. The other players can't. That one Norwich player who went down near our area, hobbled to the centre circle and went down again? We were all utterly convinced that he was faking it, but he then went off.

He walked from the corner to the centre circle then walked off the pitch, not sure I'd class that as a serious injury.

If he can walk off the pitch to be subbed he can walk off the pitch to get treatment.

Again my question would be why is football the only sport where the officials have this issue?

 

[mark82]

But this is my point: When it comes down to it, we can't tell. The referee can't. The other players can't. That one Norwich player who went down near our area, hobbled to the centre circle and went down again? We were all utterly convinced that he was faking it, but he then went off.

That actually looked like it could be quite a nasty one.

 

[Ccfc_Addy]

He walked from the corner to the centre circle then walked off the pitch, not sure I'd class that as a serious injury.

If he can walk off the pitch to be subbed he can walk off the pitch to get treatment.

Again my question would be why is football the only sport where the officials have this issue?

Tbf, I'm pretty sure O'Hare walked off the pitch when he did his ACL.

Football is one of the few sports where there's tangible benefits to timewasting, and therefore a tactical reason to fake injury; you don't get it in sports such as, say, basketball where every stoppage leads to the clock stopping.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But this is my point: When it comes down to it, we can't tell. The referee can't. The other players can't. That one Norwich player who went down near our area, hobbled to the centre circle and went down again? We were all utterly convinced that he was faking it, but he then went off.

Just stop the clock rugby style

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

It's also worth pointing out that two of the players who pulled up yesterday were immediately substituted; either they were deeply committed to the bit, or they were genuinely injured.

With the guy who went down in our half. Hobbled to the Centre circle then went down again, and was subbed, my son noticed that the injured guys sub was already waiting to come on. This player may have been injured but he very effectively broke up play far longer than was necessary. Instead of just limping off he chose, or was told, to go down again, get the physio on and then go off. In effect he was treated so that he could walk off.
The ref wasn’t great but the Norwich tactics were so poor and so blatant. I wonder if it’s the coaching staff, the players or both who decide to ‘play’ like that? Am I being too naive to think that for Club and fans alike, achieving a result in this way must leave them feeling less than satisfied?

 

[Herb70]

I'd like to see the 45 minutes each half scrapped. Make it 30 minutes each way and stop the clock everytime play stops. Time wasting would become pointless.

 

[SwanLane]

The ref is in a difficult position about assessing injuries. But the time wasting is different. They can see it and deal with it much more harshly than we saw yesterday. Adding time isn’t enough.

When someone has been dismissed as a result of time wasting, especially a goalkeeper, managers will think twice.

 

[CovLis86]

The first time the GK pretended to be injured, you could see their number 5 whisper in his ear and he immediately went down. Seconds before that he was just turning looking for the ball without any issue. It's truly rotting the game.

 

[harvey098]

So what if they've got a broken leg? Baring in mind no one actually knows the extent of an injury when a player goes down.

If they’ve got a broken leg then they’ll go off. If they’re running around two seconds later, book them.

 

[lifeskyblue]

I'd like to see the 45 minutes each half scrapped. Make it 30 minutes each way and stop the clock everytime play stops. Time wasting would become pointless.

I disagree. Yes 30mins would be played but players would still go down so their team could regroup etc. so still advantage the team whose player is deliberately stopping play.
I would prefer something along the lines of any player on the floor and stopping/delaying the game has to go off pitch for 30secs whether or not physio required (similar to players receiving treatment now). The opposition are immediately given the ball where the player has gone down (or on edge of D if happens in box). A genuine injury would therefore be treated exactly as now.

 

[Hutch11]

They did this a few years back starting in the World Cup. Worked well - we were having 15 minutes added onto halves.

naturally the players and managers complained about players not being robots etc and it went back to normal.

Should go back to that and just say - “don’t time waste and we won’t add the time”

This

 

[tom88]

I’d like to see the sub coming on get booked for his team mate wasting time and taking an age to get off the pitch. Booking the player going off is no advantage.