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Evo1883

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  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #806
Matt smith said:
What’s prompted that up turn in form evo?
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Lowe hasnt achieved anywhere near what robins has , nor has he demonstrated he can improve a team year on year .

They are not comparible
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #807
Evo1883 said:
To be fair nick and il admit it , my heads fucking fried with it all so I don't know mate
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I'm sure there was a reason when we went from 5 to 4 at the back and we started playing well.
 

Matt smith

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #808
Evo1883 said:
Lowe hasnt achieved anywhere near what robins has , nor has he demonstrated he can improve a team year on year .

They are not comparible
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Fair point re Lowe

but the new manager has clearly impacted them positively
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #809
Evo1883 said:
We definitely were not poor yesterday
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First half wasn’t bad, second half reverted to type and crowned it off with another defensive masterclass of a set piece. PNE missing a load of players looked a poor side as well.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #810
Evo1883 said:
nor has he demonstrated he can improve a team year on year .
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Neither has Robins? We are going backwards the more money gets spent.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #811
Matt smith said:
Fair point re Lowe

but the new manager has clearly impacted them positively
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Lowe was promted from league 2 with 2 teams but never demonstrated anything above that
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #812
Nick said:
Neither has Robins? We are going backwards the more money gets spent.
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We improved league positions 6 years in a row , do you purposefully forget things

We were a shootout from the Premier league after being in league 2
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #813
Brighton Sky Blue said:
First half wasn’t bad, second half reverted to type and crowned it off with another defensive masterclass of a set piece. PNE missing a load of players looked a poor side as well.
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It was the other way around , 1st half preston the better team but we grew into it , city were the better team 2nd half
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #814
Evo1883 said:
It was the other way around , 1st half preston the better team but we grew into it , city were the better team 2nd half
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Like I said, we’ve watched the same game and come to different conclusions.
 

Gynnsthetonic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #815
Evo1883 said:
Stats matter nick , every team uses them.

If we were losing and near the bottom of that table too , I'd be very concerned
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I'd rather be winning and bottom of the xg table than losing but top of the xg. Come on get real
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #816
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Like I said, we’ve watched the same game and come to different conclusions.
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Yea not sure how the stats back it up .
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #817
As much as Robins has things to sort out, I think he's earned one bad season and a chance to put it right next season, but if we are in danger of relegation he won't get that chance.

We better start picking up some results quickly as if we are in the bottom 3 around Christmas it will become very difficult to argue the case to keep him.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #818
Evo1883 said:
Lowe was promted from league 2 with 2 teams but never demonstrated anything above that
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Lowe isn’t in charge anymore? He left after the first game - Paul Heckingbottom came in and changed everything about them….
 

Gynnsthetonic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #819
Sheff Wed bullied and bossed us. That last goal he should of been taken out, they'd of done it
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #820
Gynnsthetonic said:
I'd rather be winning and bottom of the xg table than losing but top of the xg. Come on get real
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Would you ?

Preston we're top early on last season but they were near the bottom of the xg table .

It showed that their form was unsustainable and it showed as they dropped down the league

What do you notice about the xg table from last season
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #821
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Lowe isn’t in charge anymore? He left after the first game - Paul Heckingbottom came in and changed everything about them….
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I know
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #822
Evo1883 said:
Would you ?

Preston we're top early on last season but they were near the bottom of the xg table .

It showed that their form was unsustainable and it showed as they dropped down the league

What do you notice about the xg table from last season View attachment 38956
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Southampton cheated?
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #823
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Southampton cheated?
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The top 3 were all promoted, almost all the teams in the top 9 finished in the top 9 .

It means something
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #824
Evo1883 said:
I know
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Considering Preston were shite - if anything they show that a change of manager can indeed improve the team
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #825
Evo1883 said:
The top 3 were all promoted, almost all the teams in the top 9 finished in the top 9 .

It means something
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Over 46 games, sure it does. After 10 games, 9 of which against teams who won’t finish top 6? I don’t think so.
 

Matt smith

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #826
Evo1883 said:
Would you ?

Preston we're top early on last season but they were near the bottom of the xg table .

It showed that their form was unsustainable and it showed as they dropped down the league

What do you notice about the xg table from last season View attachment 38956
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Blackburn stayed up on the last day I take from that
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #827
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Considering Preston were shite - if anything they show that a change of manager can indeed improve the team
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My point was that lowe wasn't a great manager for preston and last season they were 23rd in the xg table, it wasn't sustainable so it's no surprise he's not there
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #828
Matt smith said:
Blackburn stayed up on the last day I take from that
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2bf Blackburn stayed up becuase Birmingham made the inexplicable decision to put Rooney in charge
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #829
Matt smith said:
Blackburn stayed up on the last day I take from that
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The fact they managed to create chances deffo helped that happen
 

Matt smith

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #830
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
2bf Blackburn stayed up becuase Birmingham made the inexplicable decision to put Rooney in charge
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Exactly, and they are top half of the xg table, that’s my point
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #831
Gynnsthetonic said:
I'd rather be winning and bottom of the xg table than losing but top of the xg. Come on get real
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No it’s clearly not the league table, but the link is real, it’s factual and it actually tells us a lot about what is going wrong.
 

Matt smith

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #832
Evo1883 said:
The fact they managed to create chances deffo helped that happen
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Let’s hope we’re top half of the xg table and stay up on the final day then, Would be a positive season at this rate
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #833
Evo1883 said:
My point was that lowe wasn't a great manager for preston and last season they were 23rd in the xg table, it wasn't sustainable so it's no surprise he's not there
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But it also shows that another manager can take a shit show and improve it. I remember even when they were top Preston fans were saying he’d fell out with the squad.

I’m not sure Robins has the full backing of the squad, and if so it’s time for him to go, another face would get more out of these players
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #834
Matt smith said:
Let’s hope we’re top half of the xg table and stay up on the final day then, Would be a positive season at this rate
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this is just getting bonkers now
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #835
Matt smith said:
Let’s hope we’re top half of the xg table and stay up on the final day then, Would be a positive season at this rate
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The table clearly showed that in most cases , the teams that created the most , were in the top half of the table .. the top 3 all went up automatically
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #836
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
But it also shows that another manager can take a shit show and improve it. I remember even when they were top Preston fans were saying he’d fell out with the squad.

I’m not sure Robins has the full backing of the squad, and if so it’s time for him to go, another face would get more out of these players
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I don't agree that the players aren't playing for him .

I see no evidence of that
 

Matt smith

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #837
Evo1883 said:
The table clearly showed that in most cases , the teams that created the most , were in the top half of the table .. the top 3 all went up automatically
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I know evo, that’s fair.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #838
Matt smith said:
Exactly, and they are top half of the xg table, that’s my point
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There’s always anomalies, but generally the xG table is a good indicator.

I get Evo’s point. It potentially shows we’re just not taking chances and that’s the reason we’re shit.

however we’d have had a decent xG yesterday but our only shot on target was in the 92nd minute
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #839
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
There’s always anomalies, but generally the xG table is a good indicator.

I get Evo’s point. It potentially shows we’re just not taking chances and that’s the reason we’re shit.

however we’d have had a decent xG yesterday but our only shot on target was in the 92nd minute
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We didn't have great xg yesterday , less than 1 . But we did score and it was wrongly chalked
 

Matt smith

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2024
  • #840
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
There’s always anomalies, but generally the xG table is a good indicator.

I get Evo’s point. It potentially shows we’re just not taking chances and that’s the reason we’re shit.

however we’d have had a decent xG yesterday but our only shot on target was in the 92nd minute
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Yeah I appreciate I was using that anomaly to support my argument, fair enough
 
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